# Order of the Stick - Book 5 Discussion Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 31, 2009, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323 "2009-08-31T04:09:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 173
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2012, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/3442 "2012-02-04T02:44:04Z")
OK, help a confused man out, will you? I have all the books. In a few cases I have two, God help me. I don’t need any more. So what the hell do I actually get for the levels up to $100? I’d like to get the print and the stories and such. Maybe an autographed book. Hell, I wouldn’t have minded the original crayon sketch but that’s apparently gone gone gone. Like I said, I find this confusing. Can y’all help so I can give to get? ---
**Author:** ![Balance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ccd318/32.png) [@Balance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Balance)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2012, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/3443 "2012-02-04T03:17:48Z")
I’m not entirely sure what you’re asking, **Jonathan**. Are you asking which reward pack you should select to get the bonus stuff without getting any books? If so, then every pledge of $10 or more gets all the PDF bonus comics. > [@Rich](#): > > That means you get the O-Chul prequel, the three “backer’s choice” stories, the Julio Scoundrél tale, the Dim Sun parody, and now the Sir Francois yarn all for a donation of $10 or more. If you want the physical bonuses–the stickers, pad, and coloring book currently, I think–then you need to pick a reward package that will come in a large envelope, so there’s room for the bonus material without extra shipping. So, you would need either at least one book _or_ the print. tl;dr: If you want all the bonus stuff, pick the $25 dollar package and get the print. ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2012, 10:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/3444 "2012-02-04T10:33:47Z")
> [@Jonathan\_Chance](#): > > OK, help a confused man out, will you? > > I have all the books. In a few cases I have two, God help me. I don’t need any more. > > So what the hell do I actually get for the levels up to $100? I’d like to get the print and the stories and such. Maybe an autographed book. Hell, I wouldn’t have minded the original crayon sketch but that’s apparently gone gone gone. > > Like I said, I find this confusing. Can y’all help so I can give to get? As long as you are getting something requiring a large envelope you get the free gift stuff. This seems to be the lowest level i can see that would qualify Pledge $29 or more 114 Backers One copy of the villain prequel Start of Darkness, plus a Roy Greenhilt magnet, shipped anywhere in the United States. (Canada/Mexico orders, please add $7 extra to your pledge to cover shipping; international orders, add $10.) [New reward! Added 1/26/12.] ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2012, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/3445 "2012-02-04T13:08:17Z")
OK, well, I’m in. I just became a OOTS Kickstart, I guess. I am bemused that it’s Amazon. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2012, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/3446 "2012-02-05T01:09:38Z")
Coloring books! Yay! Another line drawn and promptly shattered. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2012, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/3447 "2012-02-05T01:11:08Z")
16 days to get $50K for the fourth mystery prize? At this rate, it’ll be a piece of cake, especially since _I_ haven’t yet decided what level I want. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2012, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/3448 "2012-02-05T01:19:44Z")
> [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](#): > > As long as you are getting something requiring a large envelope you get the free gift stuff. This seems to be the lowest level i can see that would qualify > > Pledge $29 or more > 114 Backers > > One copy of the villain prequel Start of Darkness, plus a Roy Greenhilt magnet, shipped anywhere in the United States. (Canada/Mexico orders, please add $7 extra to your pledge to cover shipping; international orders, add $10.) [New reward! Added 1/26/12.] Actually, you can get it for $3 less if you get On the Origin of PCs instead. ETA: Actually, anyone have any opinions on what book I should get (I’d love the coloring book myself)? I’ve already read someone else’s copy of the prequel books, have Snips, Snails, and Dragon Tales already, and have done the usual archive binge on the webcomic itself. I know the collections have exclusive “in between” scenes, but is that worth the money? ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2012, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/3449 "2012-02-05T01:43:11Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > Actually, you can get it for $3 less if you get On the Origin of PCs instead. > > ETA: Actually, anyone have any opinions on what book I should get (I’d love the coloring book myself)? I’ve already read someone else’s copy of the prequel books, have Snips, Snails, and Dragon Tales already, and have done the usual archive binge on the webcomic itself. I know the collections have exclusive “in between” scenes, but is that worth the money? Between the extra “in-between” pages, the commentaries, and the fact that the art is crisper on the printed page than on the screen, I’d say it’s worth it. In general, I’d recommend the _Start of Darkness_ prequel (print-exclusive, and perhaps the best story arc in the entire series), but the fact that you’ve already read it makes the “print-exclusive” part less relevant. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2012, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/3450 "2012-02-05T01:43:59Z")
Yes, absolutely. Frankly, the entire collection reads very well with the extra stuff. Best you get them all. I’m not joking. ---
**Author:** ![Malleus\_Incus\_Stapes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/malleus_incus_stapes/32/3293_2.png) [@Malleus\_Incus\_Stapes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malleus_Incus_Stapes)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2012, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/3451 "2012-02-05T02:01:29Z")
Even _Dungeon-Crawling Fools_, which I didn’t particularly like in the online comics, is worth it in print. (My brother just got a copy). For one thing, the annoying swervy borders the early strips had are straightened out. And there’s a several-page-long introduction to the Order as they’re on their way to Dorukan’s Dungeon. (Spoiler: annoying narrators and characters in the story being narrated don’t always mix well. Although he got off slightly better than the narrator in _Into The Woods_). ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2012, 6:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/3452 "2012-02-05T06:11:56Z")
So why was Xykon trying to [consult with the Oracle](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0737.html) while RC et. al. were searching for his phylactery? ---
**Author:** ![Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aji_de_gallina/32/260_2.png) [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aji_de_Gallina)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2012, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/3453 "2012-02-05T06:19:43Z")
As much as it pains me to say, to arch is starting to get boring to for me. There are too many characters talking all the time and having the OOTS separated for such a long time take awa a big chunk of my enjoyment. ---
**Author:** ![ultrafilter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/3d9bf3/32.png) [@ultrafilter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ultrafilter)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2012, 6:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/3454 "2012-02-05T06:32:28Z")
> [@squeegee](#): > > So why was Xykon trying to [consult with the Oracle](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0737.html) while RC et. al. were searching for his phylactery? Very likely to find the phylactery. ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2012, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/3455 "2012-02-05T21:03:57Z")
I went with the $78 option which gives me two big books I don’t have along with all those extras. Plus, it’s good to support an awesome comic. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2012, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/3456 "2012-02-06T13:44:00Z")
[#833 is up](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0833.html) ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2012, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/3457 "2012-02-06T13:55:00Z")
First, some quality punnage from the bugs: “They had theurge for a snack!” I don’t care who you are, that’s funny right there. Second, now we know why Redcloak made the duplicate. Third, another tantalizing hint at the MITD’s past. Fourth - are we supposed to read anything more sinister into the last panel or does Jirix just not like hecklers? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2012, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/3458 "2012-02-06T14:06:37Z")
Too late to edit: Fifth: In an unexpected twist Redcloak pulled off his own bluff by calling Xykon on his, which is rather clever. By giving Xykon an incentive to move swiftly on, Redcloak doesn’t have to explain any further. Definitely **not** dumb. ---
**Author:** ![shantih](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f6c823/32.png) [@shantih](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shantih)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2012, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/3459 "2012-02-06T14:11:23Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Yeah, same here on the punchline. He doesn’t even need to lie. “I found her snooping around in my study, so I fed her to her own wights.” > > There’s not a single person in that room who would see that as an unreasonable action. Correct, down to the exact wording! Impressively done, sir. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2012, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/3460 "2012-02-06T14:18:25Z")
Now Tsukiko can work on that book of poetry she’s always wanted to pen, inspired by the poems of John Lennon. ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2012, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/3461 "2012-02-06T14:27:43Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Fourth - are we supposed to read anything more sinister into the last panel or does Jirix just not like hecklers? The demon roaches are there because of Xykon, who tolerates/is amused by them. Squishing them with Xykon around was pointless, as Redcloak had learned, since more would just show up. But now that Xykon is gone, open season on demon roaches. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323.md?page=172) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323.md?page=174)