# Order of the Stick - Book 5 Discussion Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 31, 2009, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323 "2009-08-31T04:09:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 201
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2012, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/4002 "2012-03-09T03:30:03Z")
> [@Trepa\_Mayfield](#): > > I know that webcomics run over a long time in real life vs. story time, but it always seems shocking when someone actually points it out. I mean, two years?! Since only the assault on Xykon’s tower? That seems unbelievable. It’s not even the most extreme example. _Menage a 3_ has been running since May of 2008. But the events in the strip have all occurred within a two month period. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2012, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/4003 "2012-03-09T04:14:37Z")
> [@Strinka](#): > > Even more unbelievably, it’s actually been three years. [Here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=504715)’s the thread that part of the story was discussed. The day of the strip with the familicide was [March 20th, 2009](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10955212&postcount=302). Talk about time flying! If you hadn’t posted the link I wouldn’t have believed you…it does NOT seem that long! ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2012, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/4004 "2012-03-09T04:26:53Z")
> [@Strinka](#): > > Even more unbelievably, it’s actually been three years. [Here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=504715)’s the thread that part of the story was discussed. The day of the strip with the familicide was [March 20th, 2009](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10955212&postcount=302). Hmm…looks like there were some perceptive people back then. > [@Order of the Stick General Discussion Thread (Open Spoilers and Speculation)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/307): > > I’m guessing this is where Vaarsuvius learns the soon-to-be-classic lesson: “Don’t indiscriminately kill off all living relatives of a dragon, in a campaign world where dragons and humanoids are capable of interbreeding.” > [@Order of the Stick General Discussion Thread (Open Spoilers and Speculation)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-general-discussion-thread-open-spoilers-and-speculation/484096/309): > > Don’t sorcerors of all races in D&D have their magical abilities as a result of draconic blood somewhere in their ancestral line? I wonder how many elven or human sorcerors V just murdered? > [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > It’s not even the most extreme example. _Menage a 3_ has been running since May of 2008. But the events in the strip have all occurred within a two month period. Yeah, and El Goonish Shive has been running 10 years over a six month period. (And how long has QC progressed in-story?) Crazy stuff. Hmm…I wonder how much in-comic time _Mary Worth_ has progressed over its decades-long run. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2012, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/4005 "2012-03-09T05:15:49Z")
Well, Mary has been 70 or 80 for 80 years now. I actually think she’s getting younger! Her original model certainly [showed the ravages of time](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Worth) in a way that her current model clearly doesn’t. She looks about in her mid-60s now. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2012, 8:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/4006 "2012-03-09T08:38:41Z")
> [@Trepa\_Mayfield](#): > > I know that webcomics run over a long time in real life vs. story time, but it always seems shocking when someone actually points it out. I mean, two years?! Since only the assault on Xykon’s tower? That seems unbelievable. Could be worse - even discounting the hiatus, Erfworld has been on the same \*\*day \*\*since October 2009 and the day isn’t remotely over yet. It’s like watching someone set up dominos - a long and tedious period of setup which will someday be followed by a brief but exciting climax when it all falls over. ---
**Author:** ![Foggy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foggy/32/1082_2.png) [@Foggy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Foggy)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2012, 9:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/4007 "2012-03-09T09:46:57Z")
I think I have a contender in the webcomic/real life time thingy. [Freefall](http://freefall.purrsia.com/default.htm)a sci-fi comic started March 1998 and is still updating, 14 years - in comic time 4 weeks rounding up, that works out to about 2 days of comic time to 1 year of real time. ---
**Author:** ![ultrafilter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/3d9bf3/32.png) [@ultrafilter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ultrafilter)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2012, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/4008 "2012-03-09T19:01:17Z")
[The Mansion of E](http://mansionofe.comicgenesis.com/) started back in 2003 and as far as I know is still on the same day. It got kinda hard to keep track after a while… ---
**Author:** ![Heller\_Highwater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/278dde/32.png) [@Heller\_Highwater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Heller_Highwater)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2012, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/4009 "2012-03-09T22:46:14Z")
[New one up.](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0844.html) ---
**Author:** ![ultrafilter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/3d9bf3/32.png) [@ultrafilter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ultrafilter)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2012, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/4010 "2012-03-09T23:23:54Z")
Panels 3 & 4 are wonderful. ---
**Author:** ![appleciders](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85f322/32.png) [@appleciders](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/appleciders)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2012, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/4011 "2012-03-09T23:25:57Z")
Does Resurrection really work like that? I don’t have a PH handy, but I can’t find any record of the alignment restriction online. ---
**Author:** ![Foggy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foggy/32/1082_2.png) [@Foggy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Foggy)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2012, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/4012 "2012-03-09T23:55:23Z")
It seems to me that Haley (and Roy is relying on) is doing deductive type stuff like a detective, is this related to her class or is it just her being smart? Since Resurrection didn’t work, there is a spell that makes the dead speak (saw it in a different D&D type comic) would that work? Sorry about the poor wording & thank you for putting up with my questions, you nerds.😉 ---
**Author:** ![Foggy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foggy/32/1082_2.png) [@Foggy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Foggy)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2012, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/4013 "2012-03-09T23:59:13Z")
Oh, that monitoring device thingy, the colors on the disk seem to correspond to the location of the gates, does this mean that Kraagor’s gate is in some wintery place? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2012, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/4014 "2012-03-10T00:08:53Z")
> [@appleciders](#): > > Does Resurrection really work like that? I don’t have a PH handy, but I can’t find any record of the alignment restriction online. That seems to be Burlew’s addition. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2012, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/4015 "2012-03-10T00:25:04Z")
> [@Foggy](#): > > Oh, that monitoring device thingy, the colors on the disk seem to correspond to the location of the gates, does this mean that Kraagor’s gate is in some wintery place? Yes, Kraagor’s Gate is [“near the northern polar cap”](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0331.html). ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2012, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/4016 "2012-03-10T02:02:35Z")
In the comic **Little Nemo** just linked to, does it seem like the MitD reacted to either Girard’s or Kraagor’s name? Wasn’t Kraagor’s gate the one that Serini stocked with the nastiest monsters she could find? ([Yes, and another cite for Kraagor’s gate being in the polar regions](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0277.html)) I don’t know if it means anything, but it’s another little tiny piece of the puzzle, maybe… ---
**Author:** ![Balance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ccd318/32.png) [@Balance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Balance)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2012, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/4017 "2012-03-10T02:29:35Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > In the comic **Little Nemo** just linked to, does it seem like the MitD reacted to either Girard’s or Kraagor’s name? Not really. It’s just the [“What gate?”](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0096.html) running gag. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2012, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/4018 "2012-03-10T02:47:28Z")
Ah…forgot about that. God…that was 8 years ago! Have I actually been reading OOTS for 8 years?! ---
**Author:** ![Foggy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foggy/32/1082_2.png) [@Foggy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Foggy)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2012, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/4019 "2012-03-10T03:10:26Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Yes, Kraagor’s Gate is [“near the northern polar cap”](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0331.html). OK, I missed that or forgot about them. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2012, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/4020 "2012-03-10T13:32:39Z")
> [@appleciders](#): > > Does Resurrection really work like that? I don’t have a PH handy, but I can’t find any record of the alignment restriction online. There is no alignment restriction, and none are suggested. What Rich was saying is that the dead person knows the knows the alignment of the person casting Resurrection and nothing else. The dead people are jumping to the conclusion that, because the person casting the spell is Lawful Good, it is one of Soon’s minions, and are therefore refusing the resurrection. Or maybe they’re just playing it safe; the caster could be one of Soon’s minions so they refuse. (As far as I can recall, the actual rule is that the dead person knows the name of the person casting Resurrection, but that wouldn’t help the plot along in the direction Rich wants so he limited what the dead know.) Speak with Dead might work; it functions on the dead body rather than creating a link to the dead person’s soul. But, unless the caster is the same alignment as the recipient was in life, they get a saving throw. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2012, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/4021 "2012-03-10T13:35:00Z")
> [@ultrafilter](#): > > Panels 3 & 4 are wonderful. Well, at least V’s eyes aren’t Xs. The facial marks question has been answered: They’re tattoos. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323.md?page=200) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323.md?page=202)