# Order of the Stick - Book 5 Discussion Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 31, 2009, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323 "2009-08-31T04:09:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 207
**Author:** ![Grumman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/43a26b/32.png) [@Grumman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grumman)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2012, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/4122 "2012-04-17T03:55:06Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > All of Thog’s behavior is chaotic, and barbarians can’t even be lawful at all. Not quite true. A Barbarian _can_ become Lawful, but the change in mindset will get in the way of their Barbarian Rage. By contrast, a divine spellcaster whose alignment pisses off their god will lose their god-given magical abilities, while a Monk who becomes non-Lawful lacks the mindset to continue their training, but doesn’t lose any of what they already had. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2012, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/4123 "2012-04-17T04:00:16Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > Durkon (lawful) worships Thor (chaotic) How’s that work? Wouldn’t Durkon have to be either chaotic or neutral to worship Thor? I thought you couldn’t be more than one alignment position removed from your chosen deity. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2012, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/4124 "2012-04-17T04:23:11Z")
> [@squeegee](#): > > How’d they manage to whomp up a zombie pterodactyl anyway? I was posting a response to this when the board went down. Anyway, I said that I don’t think it is a zombie. If you compare it to the zombie in this [strip](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0300.html), you can see the zombie has a lot more wear and tear. Plus most zombies have distinctive grey circles around their eyes. ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2012, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/4125 "2012-04-17T04:37:01Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I was posting a response to this when the board went down. > > Anyway, I said that I don’t think it is a zombie. If you compare it to the zombie in this [strip](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0300.html), you can see the zombie has a lot more wear and tear. Plus most zombies have distinctive grey circles around their eyes. Hmph, maybe you’re right. I took the olive-ish green color of that bird as an undead color, but maybe this pterodactyl has a bit of chlorophyll in its lineage. I guess I’d ask how they whomped up a normal pterodactyl, but if Tarquin has an Allosaurus on tap he obviously has a Jurassic stable (and aviary) available. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2012, 5:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/4126 "2012-04-17T05:06:27Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > No, Elan is on the good end of the spectrum, and Thog is on the evil end. All of Thog’s behavior is chaotic, and barbarians can’t even be lawful at all. On that point I’ll defer to your superior knowledge of game mechanics. (I haven’t role-played for over 10 years, and D&D was never my favorite system anyway.) But as for your other points … > [@](#): > > I’d also dispute some of your other assertions: Haley and Roy work together as a team, but they aren’t really friends, and in fact are often in opposition. not friends? See: > **[527 Pep Talk - Giant in the Playground Games](https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0527.html)** > **[666 But Seriously, She Won't - Giant in the Playground Games](https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0666.html)** When were they ever in opposition, except over rescuing Elan from the bandits? > [@](#): > > Shojo never liked Miko, either. cite? > [@](#): > > And Sabine’s alignment is ambiguous, but she certainly seems to be portrayed as lawful (which is as rare as hen’s teeth for a demon, but she _does_ work for the IFCC). 1. she’s specifically identified as a succubus, which [I am told](http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Succubus_%283.5e_Race%29#Alignment) is usually chaotic. 2. She’s an [incarnation of ILLICIT sex](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0394.html) ---
**Author:** ![Gagundathar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a183cd/32.png) [@Gagundathar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gagundathar)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2012, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/4127 "2012-04-17T13:14:58Z")
I have to say that these flashback links are quite entertaining. I really must take the time to reread this entire work. But, there is this ‘life’ thing that keeps getting in the way. \ ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2012, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/4128 "2012-04-17T13:42:55Z")
> [@Gagundathar](#): > > I have to say that these flashback links are quite entertaining. > I really must take the time to reread this entire work. > > But, there is this ‘life’ thing that keeps getting in the way. > \ Never get interested in Sluggy Freelance. Oh, wait…that’s unlikely to happen now (or anytime since about the beginning of Oceans Unmoving). ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2012, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/4129 "2012-04-17T14:28:53Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Never get interested in Sluggy Freelance. Oh, wait…that’s unlikely to happen now (or anytime since about the beginning of Oceans Unmoving). Sad but true, although the recent appearance of, or reference to, pretty much every major character from the entire series hints at the start of the final ginormous storyline. Of course, every time I think that he introduces yet more characters so I wouldn’t get my hopes up. ---
**Author:** ![AndrewL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@AndrewL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AndrewL)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2012, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/4130 "2012-04-18T02:40:22Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > How’s that work? Wouldn’t Durkon have to be either chaotic or neutral to worship Thor? I thought you couldn’t be more than one alignment position removed from your chosen deity. OOTS Thor is not confirmed to be Chaotic. OOTS isn’t using the stock D&D pantheon, so Thor may be Neutral Good or even Lawful in OOTS. ---
**Author:** ![Lok](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e8c25b/32.png) [@Lok](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lok)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2012, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/4131 "2012-04-18T04:24:44Z")
> [@Gagundathar](#): > > I have to say that these flashback links are quite entertaining. > I really must take the time to reread this entire work. > > But, there is this ‘life’ thing that keeps getting in the way. > \ That is why I sprang for the complete series of dead wood strips in the Kickstarter. I can sit and read them at my leisure without being dependent on a computer nearby. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2012, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/4132 "2012-04-18T05:52:36Z")
> [@squeegee](#): > > How’d they manage to whomp up a zombie pterodactyl anyway? They contracted [Harry Dresden](http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-V0ufD7Rigeo/TWr7lI1sNPI/AAAAAAAAAFc/t7ImjeBA2Ck/s1600/harry_dresden_t-rex.jpg)? ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2012, 7:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/4133 "2012-04-18T07:16:18Z")
> [@Lok](#): > > That is why I sprang for the complete series of dead wood strips in the Kickstarter. I can sit and read them at my leisure without being dependent on a computer nearby. So looking forward to mine arriving… ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2012, 9:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/4134 "2012-04-18T09:51:49Z")
> [@AndrewL](#): > > OOTS Thor is not confirmed to be Chaotic. OOTS isn’t using the stock D&D pantheon, so Thor may be Neutral Good or even Lawful in OOTS. Thor gets drunk and throws lightning bolts around. Sounds pretty chaotic to me. ---
**Author:** ![Gagundathar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a183cd/32.png) [@Gagundathar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gagundathar)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2012, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/4135 "2012-04-18T15:09:57Z")
Sometimes, Google just doesn’t do it. When I tried for ‘thor alignment’, I got three posts from here and about 20 from “Thor’s Alignment and Brakes.” That was amusing as heck to me. ---
**Author:** ![Gagundathar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a183cd/32.png) [@Gagundathar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gagundathar)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2012, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/4136 "2012-04-18T15:12:55Z")
Further ‘research’ (if that word can apply to adding the term ‘d&d’ to ‘thor alignment’ for a Google search) shows that according to D&D 3.5, Thor is Chaotic Good. Not that this applies to the Stickverse. I merely had a few moments to fill waiting for the machines to complete their tasks. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2012, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/4137 "2012-04-18T17:54:02Z")
> [@](#): > > When I tried for ‘thor alignment’, I got three posts from here and about 20 from “Thor’s Alignment and Brakes.” Is that the guy from _Adventures in Babysitting_? And somewhere on the GiantITP site, Rich confirms that he’s not using the stock D&D material for his pantheons, and says that the proximate inspiration for his version of Thor was the Marvel Comics one. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2012, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/4138 "2012-04-18T18:37:46Z")
> [@Gagundathar](#): > > Sometimes, Google just doesn’t do it. > When I tried for ‘thor alignment’, I got three posts from here and about 20 from “Thor’s Alignment and Brakes.” Wait. You’re saying Thor is breaking his alignment? Does Captain America know about this? ---
**Author:** ![Gagundathar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a183cd/32.png) [@Gagundathar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gagundathar)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2012, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/4139 "2012-04-18T19:37:13Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Is that the guy from _Adventures in Babysitting_? > > And somewhere on the GiantITP site, Rich confirms that he’s not using the stock D&D material for his pantheons, and says that the proximate inspiration for his version of Thor was the Marvel Comics one. That makes a lot of sense. The Marvel version is quite lawful, especially since his evil brother Loki is very chaotic. ---
**Author:** ![mlees](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba8739/32.png) [@mlees](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mlees)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2012, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/4140 "2012-04-18T19:42:49Z")
Wiki says Thor was, among other things in his portfolio, the protector of mankind, a god of strength, hallowing (to make holy or blessed), fertility, healing. Those aspects of the god must appeal to Durkon. Just not the drinking and the wenching. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Gagundathar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a183cd/32.png) [@Gagundathar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gagundathar)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2012, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/4141 "2012-04-18T20:08:20Z")
> [@mlees](#): > > Wiki says Thor was, among other things in his portfolio, the protector of mankind, a god of strength, hallowing (to make holy or blessed), fertility, healing. Those aspects of the god must appeal to Durkon. Just not the drinking and the wenching. 🙂 The only problem with this is the use of the word ‘was’. There are some Asatru out there who would prefer the word ‘is’. 😃 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323.md?page=206) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323.md?page=208)