# Order of the Stick - Book 5 Discussion Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 31, 2009, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323 "2009-08-31T04:09:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 269
**Author:** ![shantih](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f6c823/32.png) [@shantih](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shantih)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2013, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/5362 "2013-03-22T23:20:26Z")
I like Reality Check Belkar. Any chance Elan will remember he can cast at least some level of healing spell and de-dizzy our favorite sexy shoeless god of war? ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2013, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/5363 "2013-03-23T00:09:35Z")
> [@Knorf](#): > > I could say that for Durkon, too; his last moments were when he shined most as a character, at least in a long time. Puhlease. It’s not like either one of them isn’t going to be in on The Final Confrontation, in some way or another. Bet on it. I can see Belkar figuring out some way of fucking with the Fiends right when they think they’ve got V in place, taking advantage of the Soul Splice payment. If for no other reason than it would _really_ piss off V. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2013, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/5364 "2013-03-23T02:32:15Z")
> [@shantih](#): > > I like Reality Check Belkar. Any chance Elan will remember he can cast at least some level of healing spell and de-dizzy our favorite sexy shoeless god of war? Also, he’s technically a cleric. Maybe if V comes back in time Belkar can give hmr a reality check pep-talk, V will cast a spell of Epic Believing-In-Stuff on the party, and they can use the last of the diamond dust on resurrecting Durkon. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2013, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/5365 "2013-03-23T02:54:51Z")
I think there’s an element of foreshadowing here. Roy feels guilty about leading Durkon to his death but that was an unexpected event. I think part of the reason Roy is reacting so strongly is because he subconsciously feels guilty about somebody else: Belkar. In this [strip](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0489.html) the angel mentions that Roy is responsible for Belkar as his commander. And in the next [strip](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0490.html) she talks about how Roy uses unlawful means to achieve lawful goals. And in [these](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0838.html) [strips](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0840.html), Roy talks about how the kobold is being used in a cause it didn’t agree to - with a clear parallel to Belkar. There’s also the parallel of Shojo and how he was working on a good cause but justified lying to his followers to do it. Roy knows Belkar is going to die. But he hasn’t passed this on to Belkar. He’s basically just getting all the use he can out of Belkar before he dies. Being as Belkar is following Roy, Roy is essentially knowingly leading Belkar to his death. And at some level, Roy has to know that is wrong. ---
**Author:** ![chorpler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chorpler/32/2888_2.png) [@chorpler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chorpler)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2013, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/5366 "2013-03-23T03:05:33Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Also, he’s technically a cleric. Maybe if V comes back in time Belkar can give hmr a reality check pep-talk, V will cast a spell of Epic Believing-In-Stuff on the party, and they can use the last of the diamond dust on resurrecting Durkon. > > 😃 A cleric, huh? Hmmm … well, I guess it’s true that “Banjo” once referred to him as “my prophet.” I wonder if that automatically grants him clericular powers… ---
**Author:** ![Wolverine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/ba9def/32.png) [@Wolverine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolverine)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2013, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/5367 "2013-03-23T03:12:54Z")
I wonder if at some point we are granted a _deus ex puppet_. At least something more than a static shock upside Roy’s head. ---
**Author:** ![ekedolphin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ekedolphin/32/10003_2.png) [@ekedolphin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekedolphin)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2013, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/5368 "2013-03-23T03:25:50Z")
You know, last we heard, that entire orc tribe still worshiped _Giggles_ the Clown… ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2013, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/5369 "2013-03-23T04:39:21Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Puhlease. It’s not like either one of them isn’t going to be in on The Final Confrontation, in some way or another. Durkon as we knew him is dead. ---
**Author:** ![Lynn\_Bodoni](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e47c2d/32.png) [@Lynn\_Bodoni](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lynn_Bodoni)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2013, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/5370 "2013-03-23T05:03:21Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > New comic is up. The last line: > > Hurting people is the only thing I’m good at. > > might be one of the best bits of writing I’ve seen out of the comic. Yep, he’s now aware that this is his skill…and that maybe, just maybe, it’s not the best skill to have. I think he’s wrong, though…he’s learned to care for Mr. Scruffy. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2013, 5:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/5371 "2013-03-23T05:06:29Z")
> [@Knorf](#): > > Durkon as we knew him is dead. Betcha he gets better. ---
**Author:** ![Gagundathar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a183cd/32.png) [@Gagundathar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gagundathar)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2013, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/5372 "2013-03-23T05:24:30Z")
**Silenus** , I hope you are right but I would have to bet against it this time. ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2013, 6:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/5373 "2013-03-23T06:48:14Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Betcha he gets better. Not before he has chance to bring “death and destruction” to the dwarven homelands. ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2013, 7:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/5374 "2013-03-23T07:32:51Z")
> [@shantih](#): > > I like Reality Check Belkar. Any chance Elan will remember he can cast at least some level of healing spell and de-dizzy our favorite sexy shoeless god of war? He can fix hit point loss, but there’s nothing he can do about the CON drain. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2013, 8:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/5375 "2013-03-23T08:59:46Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Betcha he gets better. I got a shiny nickel that says he doesn’t. ---
**Author:** ![chorpler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chorpler/32/2888_2.png) [@chorpler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chorpler)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2013, 9:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/5376 "2013-03-23T09:17:03Z")
> [@Knorf](#): > > Not before he has chance to bring “death and destruction” to the dwarven homelands. Yeah, but he might just bring it with him, in the form of Xykon and Redcloak fighting them for control of Kraagor’s Gate. Maybe the Order will kill him and haul his body back to his homeland for burial while they’re heading for the Ultimate Showdown. ---
**Author:** ![ekedolphin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ekedolphin/32/10003_2.png) [@ekedolphin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekedolphin)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2013, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/5377 "2013-03-24T05:20:55Z")
It had honestly never occurred to me that the location of Kraagor’s Gate is, in all likelihood, relatively near the dwarven homelands. Even though both locations have been canonically established as bitterly cold. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2013, 8:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/5378 "2013-03-30T08:54:44Z")
And [882](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0882.html) is up! Interesting bit of foreshadowing here… ---
**Author:** ![thinksnow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thinksnow/32/2849_2.png) [@thinksnow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thinksnow)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2013, 11:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/5379 "2013-03-30T11:20:53Z")
Tarquin is genre savvy, for sure, and now we know for certain about who Nale killed from Malack’s “family.” ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2013, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/5380 "2013-03-30T12:57:42Z")
Is that a coiled whip on Tarquin’s hip? ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2013, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/5381 "2013-03-30T13:56:38Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > Is that a coiled whip on Tarquin’s hip? [Yup](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0863.html) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323.md?page=268) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323.md?page=270)