# Order of the Stick - Book 5 Discussion Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 31, 2009, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323 "2009-08-31T04:09:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 296
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2013, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/5902 "2013-06-12T16:13:32Z")
> [@squeegee](#): > > I’m assuming the SG is making contact to share the news about Xykon, because the sender has blue robes. But does it even make sense that Haley is the target of that sending? Shouldn’t it be Roy? Maybe Haley is getting a sending about some non-Xykon subject specific to her? If (as seems likely) that’s the last survivor of the Resistance, then it was Haley they were liaising with, and I don’t think they even know Roy’s alive. ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2013, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/5903 "2013-06-12T16:37:18Z")
> [@Malacandra](#): > > If (as seems likely) that’s the last survivor of the Resistance, then it was Haley they were liaising with, and I don’t think they even know Roy’s alive. [Niu](http://oots.wikia.com/wiki/Niu) was the last survivor of the resistance. She’s the rogue that [Thanh](http://oots.wikia.com/wiki/Thanh) ordered to escape and do a sending to the SG [when the resistance was crushed](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0827.html). So it must be the SG, which has every reason to think Roy is as alive as Hayley. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2013, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/5904 "2013-06-12T16:37:32Z")
> [@squeegee](#): > > I’m assuming the SG is making contact to share the news about Xykon, because the sender has blue robes. But does it even make sense that Haley is the target of that sending? Shouldn’t it be Roy? Maybe Haley is getting a sending about some non-Xykon subject specific to her? Haley was the leader of the resistance after Azure City was conquered. Roy was just some guy who fell off the city’s walls before the goblin army had even breached them. ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2013, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/5905 "2013-06-12T16:56:16Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Haley was the leader of the resistance after Azure City was conquered. Roy was just some guy who fell off the city’s walls before the goblin army had even breached them. Thanh was the leader of the resistance. Hayley was just some redhead toting around a halfling and a corpse. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2013, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/5906 "2013-06-12T17:20:16Z")
> [@squeegee](#): > > Thanh was the leader of the resistance. Hayley was just some redhead toting around a halfling and a corpse. No, he wasn’t. Not until Haley left to get Roy rezzed. [Here’s the comic where she handed command over to him.](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0535.html) ---
**Author:** ![yellowjacketcoder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/4bbf92/32.png) [@yellowjacketcoder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yellowjacketcoder)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2013, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/5907 "2013-06-12T17:23:05Z")
> [@squeegee](#): > > I’m assuming the SG is making contact to share the news about Xykon, because the sender has blue robes. But does it even make sense that Haley is the target of that sending? Shouldn’t it be Roy? Maybe Haley is getting a sending about some non-Xykon subject specific to her? That is a good point. I wonder if they tried a sending while the OOTS was under the influence of the phantasm, and when they couldn’t get Roy, they decided to try again with the second-in-command. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2013, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/5908 "2013-06-12T18:12:07Z")
I forget what “SG” is supposed to stand for. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2013, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/5909 "2013-06-12T18:14:57Z")
SG = Sapphire Guard ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2013, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/5910 "2013-06-12T18:24:02Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > No, he wasn’t. Not until Haley left to get Roy rezzed. [Here’s the comic where she handed command over to him.](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0535.html) I was being facetious. My actual point is that the only one left alive who knew anything about Hayley’s role (as leader or otherwise) in the resistance is Niu. She sent word to the Sapphire Guard about the Xykon and Redcloak’s current status, and is very likely still stranded near Azure City, far from any allied magic users who could do a sending (she used a scroll that Thanh gave her to contact the SG). ---
**Author:** ![Finagle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b19c9b/32.png) [@Finagle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Finagle)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2013, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/5911 "2013-06-12T19:11:17Z")
One thing about Nale – he can sure take a beating. In the past few days, he’s survived a Harm spell from Malack, the OOTS ambush/Belkar beatdown, and now nearly being cut in half by that trap. But if he keeps mouthing off to Malack, his luck may run out. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2013, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/5912 "2013-06-12T20:42:17Z")
Everyone can survive a Harm spell. It can’t reduce you to below 1 HP. He is lucky he dodged the follow-up quickened inflict, though. ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2013, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/5913 "2013-06-13T03:14:35Z")
> [@squeegee](#): > > I was being facetious. My actual point is that the only one left alive who knew anything about Hayley’s role (as leader or otherwise) in the resistance is Niu. She sent word to the Sapphire Guard about the Xykon and Redcloak’s current status, and is very likely still stranded near Azure City, far from any allied magic users who could do a sending (she used a scroll that Thanh gave her to contact the SG). Everyone working for Hinjo knows about Haley’s role in the resistance: they shared information at their [war council](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0670.html)when they teamed up at Roy’s ressurrection to share information. Haley gave Hinjo troop dispositions and the information that Thanh was in charge. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2013, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/5914 "2013-06-13T04:23:57Z")
> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > SG = Sapphire Guard Many thanks. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2013, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/5915 "2013-06-13T04:27:20Z")
> [@Lightray](#): > > Everyone working for Hinjo knows about Haley’s role in the resistance: they shared information at their [war council](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0670.html)when they teamed up at Roy’s ressurrection to share information. Haley gave Hinjo troop dispositions and the information that Thanh was in charge. Sure, but it doesn’t make sense that she’s the first one they’d try to contact. They all know Roy is in charge of their mission. ---
**Author:** ![ekedolphin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ekedolphin/32/10003_2.png) [@ekedolphin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekedolphin)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2013, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/5916 "2013-06-13T23:12:14Z")
I’m sure there’s a perfectly logical reason why Haley is the one being contacted, that will be explained in the next update. Poor Roy. I think that even up until the very moment he saw Durkon, he was in denial, hoping against hope that somehow Belkar was lying. Now he can’t deny it anymore. And I don’t envy _any_ Order member having to actually _fight_ Durkon. Hell, I’d say that he’s earned Belkar’s respect, and is (or was) probably the closest thing Belkar has to a friend. “There’s nothing funny about it. He just walked in there and saved my life, and got straight-up murdered for it.” ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2013, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/5917 "2013-06-18T04:14:42Z")
New strip [http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0894.html](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0894.html) ---
**Author:** ![ultrafilter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/3d9bf3/32.png) [@ultrafilter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ultrafilter)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2013, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/5918 "2013-06-18T04:32:54Z")
Well, that’s interesting. ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2013, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/5919 "2013-06-18T05:16:28Z")
So if they have all those detect spells active and walk back outside where the OOTS is behind a fake wall… Wait… only Malack will see them, right? ---
**Author:** ![Balance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ccd318/32.png) [@Balance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Balance)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2013, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/5920 "2013-06-18T05:29:31Z")
Regardless of what comes of this, I have to say that Girard was a magnificent bastard. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2013, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/5921 "2013-06-18T05:32:11Z")
[spoiler]Now THAT was quite the troll for Girard! My guess is that the Gate IS in the pyramid - just in some odd obscure location no one would think to look, instead of in a huge trap guarded room with an enclosure in the middle that just screams “Look inside here!”[/spoiler] [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323.md?page=295) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323.md?page=297)