# Order of the Stick - Book 5 Discussion Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 31, 2009, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323 "2009-08-31T04:09:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Lok](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e8c25b/32.png) [@Lok](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lok)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2009, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/41 "2009-09-04T15:38:03Z")
> [@C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](#): > > OK, done. For future ref (this means everyone) please be specific when requesting title changes. I have no idea what any of this means or is about, so no way of knowing how to change to be more specific without clear direction. šŸ˜‰ But if you get a clear direction, what kind of fun is it to herd the cats? ---
**Author:** ![Windwalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/5e9695/32.png) [@Windwalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Windwalker)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2009, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/42 "2009-09-04T18:42:22Z")
Anyone else think Elanā€™s familiar is the cutest thing ever? I hope it becomes a recurring character like Banjo. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Shine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr_shine/32/464_2.png) [@Mr\_Shine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Shine)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2009, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/43 "2009-09-04T19:34:32Z")
[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0675.html](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0675.html) Elanā€™s characterization takes a step backwards. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2009, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/44 "2009-09-04T19:41:34Z")
At least he didnā€™t try to buy any bridges. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2009, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/45 "2009-09-04T19:42:47Z")
I forget - what do the boots do again? ---
**Author:** ![cckerberos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f0a364/32.png) [@cckerberos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cckerberos)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2009, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/46 "2009-09-04T19:47:38Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > I forget - what do the boots do again? Theyā€™re Boots of Speed. ---
**Author:** ![satogata](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/df705f/32.png) [@satogata](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/satogata)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2009, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/47 "2009-09-04T20:57:04Z")
Haleyā€™s lime green boots of speed are even referenced as far back as strip 3: [http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0003.html](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0003.html). I suspect sheā€™s going to kick some major butt with them. What sort of armor do yā€™all thnk she got for 16k? ---
**Author:** ![wolfman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a8b319/32.png) [@wolfman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfman)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2009, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/48 "2009-09-04T21:13:31Z")
> [@satogata](#): > > What sort of armor do yā€™all thnk she got for 16k? Well he started out at 25k. which means it was probably round a 20K base cost piece. He said heat resistant. If it had actual fire resistance any salesman would have mentioned that. So Iā€™m guessing it gives immunity from some sort of home cribbed desert heat-exhaustion impairment. Then probably a +4 armour bonus. At their levels +4 would be the minimum I would expect them to be buying. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2009, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/49 "2009-09-04T21:17:32Z")
> [@cckerberos](#): > > Theyā€™re Boots of Speed. > [@satogata](#): > > Haleyā€™s lime green boots of speed are even referenced as far back as strip 3: [http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0003.html](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0003.html). Mentioned again [here](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0573.html)and shown [here](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0608.html). ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Shine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr_shine/32/464_2.png) [@Mr\_Shine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Shine)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2009, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/50 "2009-09-04T22:46:49Z")
I do like the discussion on female armour effectiveness. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2009, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/51 "2009-09-05T00:36:15Z")
Once upon a time, I had a link to a picture of genuine NASCAR-branded lime green womenā€™s boots for sale, but the link is unfortunately dead now. And no offense to Elan or Haley, but that color looks really, really bad on her, even if her boots are dyed to match. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2009, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/52 "2009-09-05T01:39:14Z")
Soā€¦will Durkon be summoning food for this random trader? ---
**Author:** ![Crowbar\_of\_Irony\_3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f08c70/32.png) [@Crowbar\_of\_Irony\_3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crowbar_of_Irony_3)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2009, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/53 "2009-09-05T04:26:32Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > Soā€¦will Durkon be summoning food for this random trader? I wonder if thereā€™s an alternative dialogue if V was there instead of Durkon. ā€œMake it 16,000 gp or else I ask the mage to rain arcane destruction on your tentā€ Heck, it would be interesting to see V go shopping, though the last time he did he run into some moronic shop-keepers. (100 potions of Heroism?) ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Some\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ad7895/32.png) [@Just\_Some\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Some_Guy)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2009, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/54 "2009-09-05T04:48:24Z")
Hey, those potions came in handy! ---
**Author:** ![wolfman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a8b319/32.png) [@wolfman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfman)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2009, 5:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/55 "2009-09-05T05:57:53Z")
> [@CrazyChop](#): > > Heck, it would be interesting to see V go shopping, though the last time he did he run into some moronic shop-keepers. (100 potions of Heroism?) Yeah but her negotiating isnā€™t that good. ā€œBut it was only one word!ā€ ONE! WORD! she didnā€™t get any break at all. šŸ˜‰ > **[306 Power Word: Annoy - Giant in the Playground Games](https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0306.html)** ---
**Author:** ![Crowbar\_of\_Irony\_3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f08c70/32.png) [@Crowbar\_of\_Irony\_3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crowbar_of_Irony_3)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2009, 6:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/56 "2009-09-05T06:44:18Z")
> [@wolfman](#): > > Yeah but her negotiating isnā€™t that good. > ā€œBut it was only one word!ā€ > ONE! > WORD! > she didnā€™t get any break at all. šŸ˜‰ > > [306 Power Word: Annoy - Giant in the Playground Games](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0306.html) (S)he is the victim of dramatic irony. Glad the strip is frequently updated now! And I love that the Order is back together now. After a ā€˜Helmā€™s Deepā€™ sequence, and Vā€™s turning Darth V, the light humour is really appreciated. Remembering the shop-keeperā€™s discussion on armor thoā€™, a loincloth in the vein for Conan may even be better than full-plate, or is that ā€˜less is moreā€™ only applies to female armor? šŸ˜› ---
**Author:** ![robertliguori](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/46a35a/32.png) [@robertliguori](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robertliguori)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2009, 10:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/57 "2009-09-05T10:23:44Z")
> [@CrazyChop](#): > > (S)he is the victim of dramatic irony. Glad the strip is frequently updated now! And I love that the Order is back together now. After a ā€˜Helmā€™s Deepā€™ sequence, and Vā€™s turning Darth V, the light humour is really appreciated. > > Remembering the shop-keeperā€™s discussion on armor thoā€™, a loincloth in the vein for Conan may even be better than full-plate, or is that ā€˜less is moreā€™ only applies to female armor? šŸ˜› Interestingly speaking, armor is armor in D&D; thereā€™s nothing stopping Elan or Roy from purchasing their own corsets +4 with matching heeled boots. That being said, I wonder if V will react in his or her characteristic manner to exploitable financial opportunities. ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2009, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/58 "2009-09-05T13:36:33Z")
I have a lovely comic in Dragon Magazine about that, where a monk explains to the Order how bliss can be experienced by ignoring the fluff text. Donā€™t bathe! Eat gruel only once every three days! I suspect the answer is ā€˜dramatic conventionā€™, and that it is fluff text, which can be mechanically ignored. Soā€¦ Roy, loincloth works fineā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![Grumman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/43a26b/32.png) [@Grumman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grumman)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2009, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/59 "2009-09-05T14:25:35Z")
> [@CrazyChop](#): > > Remembering the shop-keeperā€™s discussion on armor thoā€™, a loincloth in the vein for Conan may even be better than full-plate, or is that ā€˜less is moreā€™ only applies to female armor? šŸ˜› Itā€™s not true, for men or women. Lighter armour can be better because of the other effects of wearing heavy armour, but itā€™s never better for your base AC until youā€™re superhumanly agile. Even a Monk 5 with 18s in DEX and WIS only gets a +9 to AC, the same as the Commoner 1 with a DEX of 12 and a suit of full plate. Give him a shield, and the commoner comes out in front. ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2009, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/60 "2009-09-05T22:23:47Z")
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