# Order of the Stick - Book 5 Discussion Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 31, 2009, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323 "2009-08-31T04:09:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 315
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2013, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/6282 "2013-07-25T20:20:58Z")
> [@yellowjacketcoder](#): > > The spell you’re thinking of is [Dismissal](http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/dismissal.htm). > > V could cast it as well. V could cast it only with a scroll. Not sure why. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2013, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/6283 "2013-07-25T20:24:39Z")
Didn’t have it prepared that day, I guess. Also, Burlew probably really wanted that pun. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2013, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/6284 "2013-07-25T20:47:48Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > [This says 10.](http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:Elder_Earth_Elemental) That is for an elder elemental. Can “summon monster IX” call up an elder elemental? Honestly curious, I’m on my phone now. May look up later. At any rate other elementals are less intelligent. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2013, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/6285 "2013-07-25T21:19:00Z")
Yes, Summon Monster IX gets you an elder elemental. The elemental they’re fighting could be either dismissed _or_ dispelled: It’s both extraplanar, and the result of an ongoing spell effect. Dismissal would probably be more likely to work, but dispelling is a lower-level spell slot. And **Miller** , for future reference, you should use [The Hypertext D20 SRD](http://www.d20srd.org/), not dandwiki. The former is a faithful transcription of the actual official game rules, while the latter is an illustration of all of the worst qualities of a wiki: It’s a jumbled mix of actual rules, rules that are mislabled, third-party material, and (usually very bad) homebrew, with no indication of what is what. The pages that come from the actual SRD are usually (though not always) accurate, but there are also plenty of things that aren’t from the SRD that are falsely labeled as such. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2013, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/6286 "2013-07-25T21:33:58Z")
> [@Larry\_Borgia](#): > > That is for an elder elemental. Can “summon monster IX” call up an elder elemental? Yep. **Chronos** , thanks for the tip, but my bookmark is the [Pathfinder SRD.](http://www.pathfindersrd.com/home) For 3.x stuff, I just do a quick Google to make sure Pathfinder didn’t tweak it, and hit whichever link I see first. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2013, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/6287 "2013-07-25T21:41:12Z")
OK, thanks for the correction. ---
**Author:** ![yellowjacketcoder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/4bbf92/32.png) [@yellowjacketcoder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yellowjacketcoder)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2013, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/6288 "2013-07-26T00:48:57Z")
> [@squeegee](#): > > V could cast it only with a scroll. Not sure why. > [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Didn’t have it prepared that day, I guess. Also, Burlew probably really wanted that pun. He may not have it scribed in his spellbook, but I find it more likely he wrote three scrolls of Dismissal, and then saved those spell slots for something else during the Battle of Azure City. Dismissal is an Abjuration, and V’s barred schools are Necromancy and Conjuration, so he has the ability to learn and cast that spell. ---
**Author:** ![yellowjacketcoder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/4bbf92/32.png) [@yellowjacketcoder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yellowjacketcoder)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2013, 12:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/6289 "2013-07-26T12:25:42Z")
> [@yellowjacketcoder](#): > > He may not have it scribed in his spellbook, but I find it more likely he wrote three scrolls of Dismissal, and then saved those spell slots for something else during the Battle of Azure City. Dismissal is an Abjuration, and V’s barred schools are Necromancy and Conjuration, so he has the ability to learn and cast that spell. Actually, I want to correct myself, V purchased the scrolls rather than wrote them, so we don’t know if he has the spell scribed, but he could. ---
**Author:** ![shantih](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f6c823/32.png) [@shantih](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shantih)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2013, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/6290 "2013-07-26T21:23:52Z")
I’m a bit concerned about the title of #904: “Live by the Technicality …” The logical title of #905 would be “Die by the Technicality,” and I don’t want anyone here to die. Unless it’s Nale; I’m fine with Nale dying. Or Zz’dtri. But none of the others, particularly not any of the OotS. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2013, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/6291 "2013-07-26T22:50:48Z")
> [@shantih](#): > > I’m a bit concerned about the title of #904: “Live by the Technicality …” The logical title of #905 would be “Die by the Technicality,” and I don’t want anyone here to die. Unless it’s Nale; I’m fine with Nale dying. Nale: “Now, while they are weakened and occupied fighting that thing! ATTACK!” _\_ Haley: “Catch!” _\_ Nale: “Huh?! What’d you do _that_ for-” _ **CRUNCH** _ ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2013, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/6292 "2013-07-27T00:17:19Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Nale: “Now, while they are weakened and occupied fighting that thing! ATTACK!” _\_ > > Haley: “Catch!” > > _\_ > > Nale: “Huh?! What’d you do _that_ for-” > > _ **CRUNCH** _ I was thinking a cutaway to the LG: Nale: “Attack the OOTS!” Malack: “No. We’re after a gate, not that group. And the elemental is keeping them busy anyway.” Nale: rudely insults Malack like a few strips back. “Just shut up and attack!” Malack: “This alliance is over! Durkon! Durkon’s fiend! Attack Nale (and Z and Z’s fiend)!” Then the comic cuts back to the OOTS and your scene happens next. ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2013, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/6293 "2013-07-27T01:40:33Z")
And after that scene: Elemental is attacking Nale. Malack and Durkon and Durkon-fiend are attacking Z and Z-fiend. OOTS are binding their wounds. “ahem” Tarquin + vast army we just noticed: “cut the shit gentlemen.” Not sure how that plays out. ---
**Author:** ![shantih](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f6c823/32.png) [@shantih](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shantih)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2013, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/6294 "2013-07-27T19:37:21Z")
[905](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0905.html) is up! Never have I been happier to have my speculation proved wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2013, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/6295 "2013-07-27T20:08:56Z")
I have to say, Roy is pretty badass. ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2013, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/6296 "2013-07-27T21:08:40Z")
That’s a pretty big improvised weapon, but he does have a _girdle of giant strength_. edit: However, they were already getting beaten up, and now they have a couple of fiends to fight off as well? And V is out for ages (20-odd minutes is a lot of combat rounds in this edition). ---
**Author:** ![ultrafilter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/3d9bf3/32.png) [@ultrafilter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ultrafilter)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2013, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/6297 "2013-07-27T21:40:29Z")
The fiends don’t want the order defeated, so they could release V early to save the day. ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2013, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/6298 "2013-07-28T04:24:39Z")
You know, Chekov’s Casket would make a reasonable boat… (Though I’m still not cottoning to the “gosh, maybe they all jump in the rift!” notion.) ---
**Author:** ![galen\_ubal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/galen_ubal/32/4440_2.png) [@galen\_ubal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/galen_ubal)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2013, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/6299 "2013-07-29T04:14:42Z")
[New one up!](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0906.html) Boy, I did _not_ see that coming! ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2013, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/6300 "2013-07-29T04:18:09Z")
Strip 906 is up, and all I can say is: [… I did NOT see that coming.](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0906.html) To tell you the truth, I don’t think I would have predicted Nale being capable of planning and executing that without screwing it up. The [del]only[/del] next great question is: Will Nale be eliminating Vamp-Durkon now? ETA: Dang it, **galen ubal** , you ninja’d me, ya bastid! ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2013, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/6301 "2013-07-29T04:19:05Z")
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