# Order of the Stick - Book 5 Discussion Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 31, 2009, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323 "2009-08-31T04:09:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 337
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2013, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/6722 "2013-08-13T23:38:18Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > The key phrase is \* not available to everyone\* > > I parse that as meaning that everyone finds it not available. YMMV Agreed. Especially when he says _treat it as “not available” to everyone_ with the quotes. Which I read as “Everyone who wants it gets a ‘not available’” as opposed to “Available to some people by not everyone”. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Goob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c77e96/32.png) [@Mr.Goob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Goob)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2013, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/6723 "2013-08-13T23:57:46Z")
I didn’t go back through umpty-number of strips, but I remember Taraquins motives as being total domination of the contanent they are on. I agree that the dino army is on the move to secure any funkyness that’s going on. Be it the gate/rift/ongoing battle/keg party/arab spring/unleashing of unimaginable forces/county fair/sweet 16 birthday party/death scene of your best friend, that’s in the neighborhood. Being who he is, and the dictator at large I imagine he has a pretty good idea what he’s walking into and what Nale has been up too. And keeping tabs on son number 2 and the gang. He probably thinks he’ll get away with it too if it wasn’t for Mr. Scruffy and you meddling kids. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2013, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/6724 "2013-08-14T02:08:36Z")
I wouldn’t absolutely swear that there’s no way at all to come back after death by old age, not after seeing some of the tricks D&D optimizers have managed to come up with. If it exists, though, it’s mightily convoluted, and certainly wouldn’t show up in a medium like OotS. ---
**Author:** ![chorpler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chorpler/32/2888_2.png) [@chorpler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chorpler)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2013, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/6725 "2013-08-14T02:39:21Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > I wouldn’t absolutely swear that there’s no way at all to come back after death by old age, not after seeing some of the tricks D&D optimizers have managed to come up with. If it exists, though, it’s mightily convoluted, and certainly wouldn’t show up in a medium like OotS. I think, after reading **Gray Ghost** ’s response, that the method I remember hearing about involved clones. I’m going to check out the lengthy blog post he linked to, though. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2013, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/6726 "2013-08-14T03:04:49Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > I wouldn’t absolutely swear that there’s no way at all to come back after death by old age, not after seeing some of the tricks D&D optimizers have managed to come up with. If it exists, though, it’s mightily convoluted, and certainly wouldn’t show up in a medium like OotS. …except perhaps as a joke, possibly a good one. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2013, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/6727 "2013-08-14T03:16:52Z")
What I thought when I saw that last frame with the dino-army: Nazis riding dinosaurs!! ---
**Author:** ![Grumman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/43a26b/32.png) [@Grumman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grumman)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2013, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/6728 "2013-08-14T03:36:16Z")
> [@Malacandra](#): > > That’s certainly the general case with dying of old age in D&D - when your time’s up, it’s up. Which is rather stupid, when you think about it. “Old age” is just a multitude of different injuries and weaknesses, one of which finally gets you. Even if it didn’t automatically return you to the prime years of your life, there’s no reason Resurrection shouldn’t work on heart failure if it works on physical removal of the heart and offering it to the Blood God Khorne. > [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Because to me, that’s what his statement strongly implies happens. He was being poetic. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2013, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/6729 "2013-08-14T03:51:00Z")
I had this music running through my head as the soundtrack for the last few panels: [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/l_QsEA3pA34/hqdefault.jpg "Richard III (Richmond) - Trevor Jones") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_QsEA3pA34) ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2013, 6:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/6730 "2013-08-14T06:31:23Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > In 3.0, you could still come back as animals (or maybe fey). In 3.5, though, it’s all humanoids (with a footnote that the DM should work up a new table for nonhumanoid subjects). > > Which is a shame, because the randomness of the old version was potentially a lot of fun. Case in point: a party member was brought back as a badger, but the party wizard had passed a note to the DM and as soon as the reincarnated PC turned up, he _polymorphed_ him into a centaur and then cast _forget_ on him using a scroll he’d had for ages. So the player was just told he was now a centaur and he was quite cool with that. An adventure or two later, however, he got caught in a _dispel magic_ and turned back into a badger in the middle of a fight. It was a nuisance, but he enjoyed the joke as much as anyone. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2013, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/6731 "2013-08-15T14:18:35Z")
Just an FYI, Those that participated in the Kickstarter, check your mailbox. A new update, StickTales: Haleo and Julelan, just arrived. It’s a 25 page password protected comic. I haven’t yet opened it as it seems the password given isn’t working. I’ll look into it, but I wanted to let you all know it’s available. ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2013, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/6732 "2013-08-15T14:38:15Z")
Problem solved. He sent the wrong password. Huzzah! new comics! ---
**Author:** ![yellowjacketcoder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/4bbf92/32.png) [@yellowjacketcoder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yellowjacketcoder)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2013, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/6733 "2013-08-15T14:53:02Z")
And the comic is great! I think my favorite was Friar Thundershield trying to “raise” Julelan. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2013, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/6734 "2013-08-15T19:12:30Z")
Great story. Everybody got a piece of the action (in some way or another.) ---
**Author:** ![JoseB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/joseb/32/1530_2.png) [@JoseB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JoseB)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2013, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/6735 "2013-08-15T21:32:09Z")
The last panel had me giggling like an idiot for minutes – possibly the “Keystone kops” feeling it had 🙂 Also, the face of Haley when she drinks the poison is glorious XD The panel with the big party is a veritable cameo-fest. Also, don’t you think that it is hilarious that Vaarsuvius attends the party… Disguised as “V”? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2013, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/6736 "2013-08-15T21:54:32Z")
> [@JoseB](#): > > Also, don’t you think that it is hilarious that Vaarsuvius attends the party… Disguised as “V”? 😉 Heh. I didn’t even notice that. I did see that Xykon’s dressed up as Skeletor. ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2013, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/6737 "2013-08-15T23:02:36Z")
Is there a way to retroactively get/buy/whatever these rewards? Or am I out of luck until a book or something comes out? ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2013, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/6738 "2013-08-15T23:05:32Z")
Is it just me, or is Tarquin’s dialogue in I.ii foreshadowing for what he’s going to encounter in the mainstream comic? ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2013, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/6739 "2013-08-15T23:34:16Z")
> [@squeegee](#): > > Is there a way to retroactively get/buy/whatever these rewards? Or am I out of luck until a book or something comes out? Book or something. The rewards are for those people who paid attention and had the wherewithall and drive to kick in a few bucks for the Kickstarter drive. Everybody else will have to wait until the next book comes out. If then. ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2013, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/6740 "2013-08-15T23:54:09Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Book or something. The rewards are for those people who paid attention and had the wherewithall and drive to kick in a few bucks for the Kickstarter drive. Everybody else will have to wait until the next book comes out. If then. Darn. I was just getting into the comic when the kickstarter happened and hesitated. I was interested but not fanatic at the time, and the fund drive seemed to be doing incredibly well without me. Ah, well. In any case, I’m glad Rich did so well from it, well deserved. ETA: I also found the zillion levels of rewards pretty confusing when I looked at the kickstarter page, but maybe that’s just me; did I really need to kick in a hundred bucks to get today’s pdf? I have no idea . Probably not, but it was confusing enough that I’m still not sure. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2013, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/6741 "2013-08-16T00:00:33Z")
> [@squeegee](#): > > did I really need to kick in a hundred bucks to get today’s pdf? Nope. I forget exactly how much I kicked in, but it wasn’t _that_ much. But I still am getting/got all the extra tales, stickers, magnet, note pad, a couple of the reprinted books, and I forget what else. Well worth whatever it cost. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323.md?page=336) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323.md?page=338)