# Order of the Stick - Book 5 Discussion Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 31, 2009, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323 "2009-08-31T04:09:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 353
**Author:** ![Gray\_Ghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c0e974/32.png) [@Gray\_Ghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gray_Ghost)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2013, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/7042 "2013-08-28T21:51:03Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > …Going back to the previous posts about evil people being _Raised_ and warning about the bad afterlife, maybe the appropriate infernal management for those planes should set up a temporary holding area. Give the souls a year or two of hookers feeding them grapes and then when the average person stops being _Raised/Resurrected_, take 'em out back for the real deal. Hell with a [Summer Program](http://abovethelaw.com/2013/06/which-biglaw-summer-associates-are-happiest-with-their-firms/): I love it. Seems appropriate, in a way. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2013, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/7043 "2013-08-28T21:55:25Z")
> [@Strassia](#): > > Roy could remember no details of the LG afterlife beyond the gate. It was all a blur that he new was wonderful. I suspect all the afterlives are like that. Those returning would only have an extremely vague feeling about what it was like. And in the case of the evil afterlifes, that feeling could be a deception. “I vaguely remember how happy I was in Hell.” Not remembering that the only happiness was that brief moment when he learned he was getting out… ---
**Author:** ![Strassia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e8c25b/32.png) [@Strassia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Strassia)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2013, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/7044 "2013-08-28T22:29:28Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > “I vaguely remember how happy I was in Hell.” > > Not remembering that the only happiness was that brief moment when he learned he was getting out… Or the build up of hope and happiness before ripping it all away as a truly cruel and fitting punishment. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2013, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/7045 "2013-08-29T00:15:19Z")
> [@Larry\_Borgia](#): > > [Rich has shown us one evil afterlife, the place Goblinoids go to, though he did not name it.](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0704.html) [Acheron](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acheron_%28Dungeons_%26_Dragons%29) probably, given the mention of an iron plateau and vast army. > [@](#): > > Acheron is an eternal battlefield of endless conflict. It is a plane of law where conformity takes precedence over any thoughts of good. Unending battles take place across the entire plane between huge armies, with no chance of victory or cease-fire. Each layer of the plane consists of a huge number of iron cubes of varying size, from continent-sized to small islands; not all of these are actually cube-shaped, but they are generally called cubes nonetheless. The cubes float in an air-filled, infinite space, occasionally colliding with each other. ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2013, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/7046 "2013-08-29T06:46:35Z")
[915 is up!](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0915.html) Cripes, another side quest? ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2013, 7:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/7047 "2013-08-29T07:04:19Z")
Just in case we forgot that Tarquin, in addition to being a magnificent bastard, is also an asshole. ---
**Author:** ![shantih](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f6c823/32.png) [@shantih](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shantih)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2013, 8:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/7048 "2013-08-29T08:59:33Z")
I’m going to predict that when Haley finds her father, she’ll also find Crystal, thus tying up that plot line as well. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2013, 9:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/7049 "2013-08-29T09:22:09Z")
> [@shantih](#): > > I’m going to predict that when Haley finds her father, she’ll also find Crystal, thus tying up that plot line as well. There’s also the unresolved mystery of Haley’s mother. We know her name was Mia and she was murdered when Haley was young. But there’s still speculations about who (or what) exactly she was and how and why she was killed. Plus there’s the mystery of Kyren and Rachel. Burlew still has things to tell us. ---
**Author:** ![AndrewL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@AndrewL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AndrewL)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2013, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/7050 "2013-08-29T14:23:44Z")
> [@yellowjacketcoder](#): > > He’s just in it for the money. He doesn’t really give a damn whether something is good or bad - just like most of us. “Do this and you get paid” doesn’t strike me as particularly evil. Zz’dtri is Neutral Evil by [word of Giant](http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15667889&postcount=57). ---
**Author:** ![Finagle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b19c9b/32.png) [@Finagle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Finagle)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2013, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/7051 "2013-08-29T14:36:40Z")
> [@squeegee](#): > > [915 is up!](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0915.html) > > Cripes, another side quest? My thought exactly. We’ve been in the Kingdom of Blood for what, 3 years now? And I thought we were at the end of the book. Unless this is another split-the-party deal. And we still haven’t gotten V back. ---
**Author:** ![Hypno-Toad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b2d939/32.png) [@Hypno-Toad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hypno-Toad)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2013, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/7052 "2013-08-29T15:06:02Z")
I think that this is a way to keep a leash on Haley. Tarquin hasn’t posted the bounty yet. But he can if Haley gives him trouble. ---
**Author:** ![chorpler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chorpler/32/2888_2.png) [@chorpler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chorpler)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2013, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/7053 "2013-08-29T15:27:14Z")
> [@yellowjacketcoder](#): > > He’s just in it for the money. Did we ever see any evidence of that other than “Pay’s good” when they tried to convince vampire Durkon to join the Linear Guild? Because it seemed to me that he and Nale were close friends. ---
**Author:** ![yellowjacketcoder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/4bbf92/32.png) [@yellowjacketcoder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yellowjacketcoder)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2013, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/7054 "2013-08-29T15:45:34Z")
> [@AndrewL](#): > > Zz’dtri is Neutral Evil by [word of Giant](http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15667889&postcount=57). I stand corrected. Thanks for the link. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2013, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/7055 "2013-08-29T15:53:39Z")
NE is the traditional “amoral mercenary” alignment. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2013, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/7056 "2013-08-29T16:14:43Z")
> [@AndrewL](#): > > Zz’dtri is Neutral Evil by [word of Giant](http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15667889&postcount=57). Is V officially Neutral? I always assume he was Neutral Good (although slipping out of the ‘good’ as Roy’s bureaucratic deva points out) with Z being NE as the counter. But I also thought I remembered some strip with V saying he was true neutral, caring only for the wizardly arts or somesuch. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2013, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/7057 "2013-08-29T16:23:34Z")
> [@yellowjacketcoder](#): > > I stand corrected. Thanks for the link. And nice to see the Snail remembered. I keep waiting for him to show up in the main strip. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2013, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/7058 "2013-08-29T16:47:17Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > Is V officially Neutral? I always assume he was Neutral Good (although slipping out of the ‘good’ as Roy’s bureaucratic deva points out) with Z being NE as the counter. But I also thought I remembered some strip with V saying he was true neutral, caring only for the wizardly arts or somesuch. Haha… clicking the provided link would have answered my question. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2013, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/7059 "2013-08-29T16:56:40Z")
How cool would it be to find out some day that the ninja is Roy’s half-brother from the other side of the sheets? ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2013, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/7060 "2013-08-29T17:50:15Z")
Wait, which ninja? I don’t recall any significant male (part-) human ninjas in the strip. Heck, the only insignificant ones I can recall were the ones who accepted Hinjo’s compromise of “Giant Dwarf with a Hammer”. ---
**Author:** ![chorpler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chorpler/32/2888_2.png) [@chorpler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chorpler)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2013, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/7061 "2013-08-29T17:53:28Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Wait, which ninja? I don’t recall any significant male (part-) human ninjas in the strip. Heck, the only insignificant ones I can recall were the ones who accepted Hinjo’s compromise of “Giant Dwarf with a Hammer”. I think he means Miron Shewdanker, the guy who sent the ransom note to Haley. I don’t know if that guy is a ninja, but I can see how he has the look of both a ninja and someone who might be related to Roy. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323.md?page=352) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323.md?page=354)