# Order of the Stick - Book 5 Discussion Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 31, 2009, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323 "2009-08-31T04:09:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 380
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2013, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/7582 "2013-10-01T14:35:11Z")
[QUOTE=silenus] That was my immediate thought. “That’s it for Belkar.” [/QUOTE] Same here. He’s toast. ---
**Author:** ![Lok](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e8c25b/32.png) [@Lok](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lok)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2013, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/7583 "2013-10-01T14:37:38Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > That was my immediate thought. “That’s it for Belkar.” Yep, I thought, “Now he’s a nice target up there for Tarquin to see.” ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2013, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/7584 "2013-10-01T15:08:03Z")
> [@Lok](#): > > Yep, I thought, “Now he’s a nice target up there for Tarquin to see.” And he still has like 1 hp On the other hand, Durkon can still cast _Raise Dead_. Not right this second, but unless they were forced to abandon Belkar’s body or it was destroyed he could do so at dusk when he prayed for new spells. ---
**Author:** ![mlees](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba8739/32.png) [@mlees](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mlees)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2013, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/7585 "2013-10-01T15:21:46Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Flashback. Belkar encountered and freed the T-Rex when they were in Tarquin’s dungeon. > [@Lightray](#): > > They grayed-out panel is a flashback to when Belkar and Roy were incarcerated as gladiators, when Belkar befriended the T-rex (by letting it out to rampage). Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![Yllaria](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yllaria/32/3452_2.png) [@Yllaria](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yllaria)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2013, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/7586 "2013-10-01T15:28:11Z")
So now they know that all they had to do to get Belkar acting like a ranger was to give him a T-rex. Makes perfect sense. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2013, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/7587 "2013-10-01T15:29:43Z")
And it’s not actually a T. rex, just an allosaurus. Which makes me wonder when an actual rex is going to show up. I mean, it sort of has to, by the laws of dramatic necessity. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2013, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/7588 "2013-10-01T15:36:28Z")
I thought the smaller ones Roy was killing earlier were the allosaurs and this was the Tyrannosaurus. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2013, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/7589 "2013-10-01T15:41:52Z")
> [@Yllaria](#): > > So now they know that all they had to do to get Belkar acting like a ranger was to give him a T-rex. Makes perfect sense. Beats a weiner dog. ---
**Author:** ![Strassia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e8c25b/32.png) [@Strassia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Strassia)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2013, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/7590 "2013-10-01T15:52:52Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > And it’s not actually a T. rex, just an allosaurus. Which makes me wonder when an actual rex is going to show up. I mean, it sort of has to, by the laws of dramatic necessity. Considering T. Rex is only the 7th longest and 4th most massive theropod, I’m wondering when the gigantosaurus or spinosaurus will show up [QUOTE=wiki] Longest theropods Size comparison of selected giant theropod dinosaurs Size by overall length, including tail, of all theropods over 12 meters. ``` Spinosaurus aegyptiacus: 14.3–18 m (47–59 ft)[15][20] Oxalaia quilombensis: 12–14 m (39–46 ft)[21] Giganotosaurus carolinii: 12.2–13.2 m (40–43 ft)[22][10] Chilantaisaurus tashuikouensis: 11–13 m (36–43 ft)?[10][23] Saurophaganax maximus: 10.5–13 m (34–43 ft)?[10][23] Mapusaurus roseae: 12.2–12.6 m (40–41 ft)[10][22] Tyrannosaurus rex: 12.3 m (40 ft)[24] ``` [/QUOTE] > [@](#): > > Most massive theropods > > Size by overall weight of all theropods with maximum weight estimates of over 4 metric tons. > > ``` > Spinosaurus aegyptiacus: 7-20.9 t[15][20] > Carcharodontosaurus saharicus: 6.1-15.1 t[14][15] > Giganotosaurus carolinii: 6.5-13.8 t[14][15] > Tyrannosaurus rex: 6-9.5 t[15][25][24] > > ``` ---
**Author:** ![yellowjacketcoder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/4bbf92/32.png) [@yellowjacketcoder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yellowjacketcoder)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2013, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/7591 "2013-10-01T17:10:09Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > And he still has like 1 hp > > On the other hand, Durkon can still cast _Raise Dead_. Not right this second, but unless they were forced to abandon Belkar’s body or it was destroyed he could do so at dusk when he prayed for new spells. While this does meet the implied criteria for Belkar dieing (in that he actually dies), it doesn’t meet with what the Oracle actually impled in [329](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0329.html) - “Well, I’m just thinking he should savor his next birthday cake” - which implies he dies and _doesn’t come back to life_. ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2013, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/7592 "2013-10-01T17:20:01Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > I thought the smaller ones Roy was killing earlier were the allosaurs and this was the Tyrannosaurus. The small ones were velociraptors or similar. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2013, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/7593 "2013-10-01T17:37:02Z")
> [@yellowjacketcoder](#): > > While this does meet the implied criteria for Belkar dieing (in that he actually dies), it doesn’t meet with what the Oracle actually impled in [329](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0329.html) - “Well, I’m just thinking he should savor his next birthday cake” - which implies he dies and _doesn’t come back to life_. Maybe Belkar’s not going to die - he’s just going to develop a severe gluten intolerance. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2013, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/7594 "2013-10-01T17:59:22Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Maybe Belkar’s not going to die - he’s just going to develop a severe gluten intolerance. Not to spoil anything, but you thought the geas against killing people in town was bad… ---
**Author:** ![yellowjacketcoder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/4bbf92/32.png) [@yellowjacketcoder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yellowjacketcoder)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2013, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/7595 "2013-10-01T18:36:17Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Maybe Belkar’s not going to die - he’s just going to develop a severe gluten intolerance. That would be hilarious, unfortunately in [572](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0572.html) the oracle prophecies that Belkar will breathe his last before the the end of the year, which, unless the Belkster also becomes undead, means he’s dead and not coming back. ---
**Author:** ![shantih](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f6c823/32.png) [@shantih](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shantih)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2013, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/7596 "2013-10-01T18:46:31Z")
> [@yellowjacketcoder](#): > > That would be hilarious, unfortunately in [572](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0572.html) the oracle prophecies that Belkar will breathe his last before the the end of the year, which, unless the Belkster also becomes undead, means he’s dead and not coming back. Unless … he becomes undead, goes into the Rift and into the world that can be glimpsed there, and doesn’t come back. That would match up to the wording the Oracle used (‘not long for this world’ + ‘will draw his last breath - ever - by the end of the year’), right? ---
**Author:** ![Reno\_Nevada](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Reno\_Nevada](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reno_Nevada)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2013, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/7597 "2013-10-01T18:50:51Z")
> [@yellowjacketcoder](#): > > That would be hilarious, unfortunately in [572](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0572.html) the oracle prophecies that Belkar will breathe his last before the the end of the year, which, unless the Belkster also becomes undead, means he’s dead and not coming back. So the actual statements from the Oracle regarding Belkar… …the halfling shouldn’t bother funding his IRA… …he should savor his next birthday cake… …isn’t long for this world… Belkar will draw his last breath–ever–before the end of this year. 2 and 4 would definitely be met if Belkar becomes a vampire. “I never eat…cake.” I don’t know about 1 and 3, though. Do vampires need an IRA? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2013, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/7598 "2013-10-01T18:51:44Z")
As a halfling, one could argue that he’s already not long for this world. ---
**Author:** ![mlees](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba8739/32.png) [@mlees](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mlees)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2013, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/7599 "2013-10-01T19:03:51Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > As a halfling, one could argue that he’s already not long for this world. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/6zXDo4dL7SU/maxresdefault.jpg "Ba Dum Tss!") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zXDo4dL7SU) ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2013, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/7600 "2013-10-01T19:06:31Z")
No way is Rich going to kill off Belkar permanently. I bet his stuff outsells all the others in the Order 10 to 1, combined. He has to be in on the finale, somehow. ---
**Author:** ![Strassia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e8c25b/32.png) [@Strassia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Strassia)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2013, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/7601 "2013-10-01T19:13:24Z")
> [@squeegee](#): > > The small ones were velociraptors or similar. [Allosaurus](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allosaurus#Description) [Velociraptor](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velociraptor#Description) Even the [Deinonychus](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deinonychus#Description) (the closest real dino to the velociraptors shown in Jurassic Park) was too small to hold a human. The smaller allosaurus types are probably the best fit. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323.md?page=379) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323.md?page=381)