# Order of the Stick - Book 5 Discussion Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 31, 2009, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323 "2009-08-31T04:09:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 389
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2013, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/7762 "2013-10-23T21:14:50Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > One speculation I’ve heard is that he’ll get himself killed on purpose, with with the prior agreement with Durkon (who has enough diamond dust to Resurrect [one person left](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0845.html)) that he’ll _only_ accept being raised by him (since the dead can tell who is trying to raise them). So if Tarquin kills off the OOTS, Elan’s gone permanently; if he spares the OOTS Elan can come back. > Tarquin: "Surely you wouldn’t leave Elan dead if I only killed _Roy…"_ > > Durkon: “Vampire. Lawful Evil. And that was the agreement.” > > Tarquin: “…I see.” Tarquin: “I can always sire another son, and raise him up right this time.” ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2013, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/7763 "2013-10-23T21:56:36Z")
Yeah, Tarquin wants to see his son be the main hero but I can’t see his personality allowing himself to be extorted into doing otherwise. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2013, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/7764 "2013-10-23T22:03:33Z")
> [@Folacin](#): > > Tarquin: “I can always sire another son, and raise him up right this time.” He’s getting on in years, and if Elan isn’t the hero who takes him out someone else could come along and do it before a new child grows up. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2013, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/7765 "2013-10-23T22:24:43Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > He’s getting on in years, and if Elan isn’t the hero who takes him out someone else could come along and do it before a new child grows up. See, back in the day, you could get around that with liberal applications of _Haste_ spells 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Gedd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gedd/32/4938_2.png) [@Gedd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gedd)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2013, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/7766 "2013-10-28T14:20:06Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > Can True Form reverse Baleful Polymorph? An instant allosaur could be handy. I just had an image of Roy’s Bag of Tricks, but with dinosaurs instead of little furry creatures. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2013, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/7767 "2013-10-28T15:20:54Z")
Damnit, false update hope! ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2013, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/7768 "2013-10-28T15:23:28Z")
Nobody should post in this thread until there is a new strip. Crap. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2013, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/7769 "2013-10-28T16:11:55Z")
> [@Grumman](#): > > Baleful Polymorph is a “Permanent” effect (as opposed to an “Instantaneous” effect), which means that it is only the magic holding the allosaur in that form. Hit it with a Dispel Magic or Break Enchantment and the spell keeping the allosaur as a lizard ends. Or V could hit it with another Polymorph spell (Baleful or otherwise) since you can’t have more than one shapechange spell going on at the same time, the new one overrides the old. Or just powerlevel the allosaur until it’s a level 5 Druid and can shapechange itself into a wolf then back into an allosaur, but that might take a tad longer 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2013, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/7770 "2013-10-28T16:26:20Z")
Just make it the nemesis of a different level 1 human and then power level them 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2013, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/7771 "2013-10-28T20:18:06Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Nobody should post in this thread until there is a new strip. > > Crap. Yeah! I hate when people do that! ---
**Author:** ![Grumman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/43a26b/32.png) [@Grumman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grumman)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2013, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/7772 "2013-10-28T23:58:27Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Or V could hit it with another Polymorph spell (Baleful or otherwise) since you can’t have more than one shapechange spell going on at the same time, the new one overrides the old. Does a temporary polymorph overwrite a permanent polymorph? ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2013, 9:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/7773 "2013-10-29T09:43:57Z")
> [@Grumman](#): > > Does a temporary polymorph overwrite a permanent polymorph? Temporarily. However, what it does not do is restore the original form of the transformed creature; it makes the creature an average specimen of the species (physically). So, for example, using Baleful Polymorph to turn Haley into a sheep, then Polymorphing her into a human would result in a Haley with average Dex - 10 or 11 - rather than the 20+ she has in her normal form. And her magic items would be gone too. That Allosaur is _likely_ to be advanced - more HD, better stats. All those would be gone. ---
**Author:** ![shantih](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f6c823/32.png) [@shantih](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shantih)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2013, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/7774 "2013-10-29T19:55:05Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Nobody should post in this thread until there is a new strip. > > Crap. > [@Enderw24](#): > > Yeah! I hate when people do that! Man, I hear that! Seriously, what is _up_ with some people? ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2013, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/7775 "2013-10-29T22:41:28Z")
> [@MHaye](#): > > And her magic items would be gone too. Nope, Baleful Polymorph already takes care of that. Quoth the SRD : > [@](#): > > All items worn or carried by the subject fall to the ground at its feet, even if they could be worn or carried by the new form. Of course, the way magic items work in D&D, Sheep Haley could re-equip most of them (or at least, someone could re-equip her with them) and they’d stretch to fit her ovine form :). No armour, weapons, rings and probably boots/gloves (though as a DM I’d rule those as a grey area) but belts, amulets, brooches, bracers, headbands, capes… are all fine. Wanna see a sheep in a cape now, BTW. As for the Polymorph buff, it’s supposed to work like Alter Self, which says : > [@](#): > > When the change occurs, your equipment, if any, either remains worn or held by the new form (if it is capable of wearing or holding the item), or melds into the new form and becomes nonfunctional. And since any of Haley’s items worn by Sheep Haley can most definitely be worn by Average Human Haley, she’s fine on that front. ETA : oh, and as an aside, I am SO GLAD they entirely changed the way shape changing works in Pathfinder 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Kimble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kimble/32/19185_2.png) [@Kimble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimble)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2013, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/7776 "2013-10-30T02:15:38Z")
Woo! It updated! Elan’s being useful! From that last panel, though, I’ve got a feeling Tarquin dies (along with Belkar and (maybe) Roy) before the end of this book. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2013, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/7777 "2013-10-30T02:30:20Z")
> [@Kimble](#): > > From that last panel, though, I’ve got a feeling Tarquin dies (along with Belkar and (maybe) Roy) before the end of this book. ☹ It would be ironic indeed is Belkar died right now and his final words were a sincere compliment. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2013, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/7778 "2013-10-30T02:36:10Z")
Sincere compliment? Try damning with faint praise. ---
**Author:** ![Strassia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e8c25b/32.png) [@Strassia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Strassia)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2013, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/7779 "2013-10-30T02:40:26Z")
Might as well put in the [link](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0927.html). ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Shine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr_shine/32/464_2.png) [@Mr\_Shine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Shine)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2013, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/7780 "2013-10-30T02:43:24Z")
So what happened? Dino- teleported away Miron- heavy Elec damage Laurin- minor fire damage Tarquin? He seems to have been hit by 4 rays, however none seem to have damaged him? ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2013, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/7781 "2013-10-30T02:48:54Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > Sincere compliment? Try damning with faint praise. Didn’t seem that faint. How often does Belkar compliment anyone, ever? That he did it this time makes it pretty positive. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323.md?page=388) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323.md?page=390)