# Order of the Stick - Book 5 Discussion Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 31, 2009, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323 "2009-08-31T04:09:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2009, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/61 "2009-09-06T20:12:41Z")
> [@](#): > > Interestingly speaking, armor is armor in D&D; there’s nothing stopping Elan or Roy from purchasing their own corsets +4 with matching heeled boots. Well, nothing except dignity and good taste. In Roy’s case, at least. ---
**Author:** ![JoseB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/joseb/32/1530_2.png) [@JoseB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JoseB)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2009, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/62 "2009-09-06T20:20:41Z")
> [@Mr\_Shine](#): > > [675 It Costs an Armor Leg - Giant in the Playground Games](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0675.html) > > Elan’s characterization takes a step backwards. I imagine that you say that because of how Elan “haggled” with the merchant… However, take into account how Haley described haggling to Elan: “Rather than paying the asking price, the buyer and the seller argue over what it is worth until they agree.” Haley _ **doesn’t** _ say anything about “getting the merchant to lower the price”! If Elan genuinely felt that the belt should be worth 8000 gp… That is how he would “haggle”! In my opinion Elan is not so much stupid as very naïve, and as never in his life having had to engage in this kind of “haggling” thing. ---
**Author:** ![appleciders](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85f322/32.png) [@appleciders](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/appleciders)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2009, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/63 "2009-09-06T20:37:55Z")
> [@cckerberos](#): > > They’re Boots of Speed. And they should make her noticeably better in a fight, too. Boots of Speed are not game-breaking, but they’re reasonably powerful in their own right. Haley apparently has one hell of a dedication to how her boots match her skin tone to not ever wear them in the last 600-odd strips, especially when she was leading a freakin’ guerrilla band on hit-and-run raids. ---
**Author:** ![wolfman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a8b319/32.png) [@wolfman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfman)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2009, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/64 "2009-09-06T20:42:34Z")
> [@](#): > > Remembering the shop-keeper’s discussion on armor tho’, a loincloth in the vein for Conan may even be better than full-plate, or is that ‘less is more’ only applies to female armor? 😛 The shop keeper was referring to armour within a class. Leather armour is leather armour no matter how it is tailored. Same with Chair or plate. The Boris Vallejo Chain mail pasties and panties count as chain and gives the same protection as a Man-at-Arms dressed head to toe in heavy chain with overlapping coverage. And Conan’s Loin cloth if it is leather armour is as good as anything else counted as leather armour (ie ignoring things that are classified as reinforced or studded etc because they are defined as different base armour type) ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2009, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/65 "2009-09-06T20:43:25Z")
> [@appleciders](#): > > And they should make her noticeably better in a fight, too. Boots of Speed are not game-breaking, but they’re reasonably powerful in their own right. Haley apparently has one hell of a dedication to how her boots match her skin tone to not ever wear them in the last 600-odd strips, especially when she was leading a freakin’ guerrilla band on hit-and-run raids. I think she probably _did_ wear them, just not when she was, you know, “on camera.” ---
**Author:** ![Grumman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/43a26b/32.png) [@Grumman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grumman)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2009, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/66 "2009-09-06T20:59:17Z")
> [@E-Sabbath](#): > > Yes, but you can name it Full Plate and describe it as a chainmail bikini. A chainmail bikini that weighs 35 pounds… Some DMs might let you get away with it, but I’m not one of them. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2009, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/67 "2009-09-09T05:22:07Z")
[New strip up.](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0676.html) Belkar is trying to help! ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2009, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/68 "2009-09-09T05:33:21Z")
> [@appleciders](#): > > Haley apparently has one hell of a dedication to how her boots match her skin tone to not ever wear them in the last 600-odd strips… And, apparently, to paying full price to have them dyed any earlier. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2009, 6:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/69 "2009-09-09T06:38:54Z")
Looks like Mr. Scruffy might be in the mood for a snack… ---
**Author:** ![chorpler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chorpler/32/2888_2.png) [@chorpler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chorpler)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2009, 8:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/70 "2009-09-09T08:01:23Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > [New strip up.](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0676.html) > > Belkar is trying to help! I can already tell that when I show this strip to her in the morning, my 11-year-old daughter is going to think this is the cutest Belkar strip EVER. Maybe even rivaling Belkar-in-his-cloak. ---
**Author:** ![shantih](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f6c823/32.png) [@shantih](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shantih)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2009, 9:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/71 "2009-09-09T09:20:53Z")
And this answers the question I’ve had since Roy said, “Belkar says he has a lead on what I need for the mission.” Why on earth would Belkar have a lead on anything other than where to find whores or strong drink? Question asked, question answered. ---
**Author:** ![sohvan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/96bed5/32.png) [@sohvan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sohvan)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2009, 10:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/72 "2009-09-09T10:28:20Z")
Does anyone else think Belkar knows exactly Roy meant both times, but is just messing with his head? ---
**Author:** ![JoseB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/joseb/32/1530_2.png) [@JoseB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JoseB)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2009, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/73 "2009-09-09T13:15:15Z")
> [@sohvan](#): > > Does anyone else think Belkar knows exactly Roy meant both times, but is just messing with his head? _raises hand_ I find this messing-with-Roy’s-head, for some reason, a very Belkar-ish thing to do. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Some\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ad7895/32.png) [@Just\_Some\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Some_Guy)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2009, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/74 "2009-09-09T13:16:36Z")
> [@sohvan](#): > > Does anyone else think Belkar knows exactly Roy meant both times, but is just messing with his head? With Belkar’s spot and listen checks, I doubt it. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2009, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/75 "2009-09-09T13:26:48Z")
> [@JoseB](#): > > I find this messing-with-Roy’s-head, for some reason, a very Belkar-ish thing to do. [He’s done it before](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0244.html), in the sequence when Roy used the Belt of Gender Changing to turn female. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2009, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/76 "2009-09-09T13:29:26Z")
I don’t know…it doesn’t seem like Belkar to spend that much money (it has to be expensive to get a cart o’gophers AND a wagon o’chinchillas at short notice) for a joke. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2009, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/77 "2009-09-09T13:31:26Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > I don’t know…it doesn’t seem like Belkar to spend that much money (it has to be expensive to get a cart o’gophers AND a wagon o’chinchillas at short notice) for a joke. Unless he decided to get them with the stabby discount . . . it would _ **also** _ be like Belkar to commit a massacre just to pull off a joke. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2009, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/78 "2009-09-09T13:44:40Z")
> [@Knorf](#): > > I think she probably _did_ wear them, just not when she was, you know, “on camera.” Near the beginning of the strip she mentions having them and not wearing them because of the awful color. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2009, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/79 "2009-09-09T13:46:55Z")
> [@sohvan](#): > > Does anyone else think Belkar knows exactly Roy meant both times, but is just messing with his head? I think Belkar is actually trying to do the right thing, insomuch as he is capable of knowing what that is. Shojo sure conned him good. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Carrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f0a364/32.png) [@Captain\_Carrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Carrot)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2009, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/80 "2009-09-09T13:49:50Z")
> [@Grumman](#): > > A chainmail bikini that weighs 35 pounds… > > Some DMs might let you get away with it, but I’m not one of them. Also, chain mail and full plate aren’t even close to the same thing. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323.md?page=5)