# Order of the Stick - Book 5 Discussion Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 31, 2009, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323 "2009-08-31T04:09:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 427
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2014, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/8523 "2014-01-15T06:04:17Z")
Christ, Tarquin’s undoubtedly put a D&D 3.5 GPS tracker on Haley’s father, and will be ready to intercept Roy when the OOTS shows up. I’d say we’re a ways from the end of this book. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2014, 8:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/8524 "2014-01-16T08:56:34Z")
I really don’t believe Tarquin has the move to accomplish that, now that Laurin has withdrawn. ---
**Author:** ![Stanislaus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stanislaus/32/3391_2.png) [@Stanislaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stanislaus)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2014, 9:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/8525 "2014-01-16T09:08:25Z")
Tarquin is done. He’s not just physicallly stranded - he’s narratively stranded. He doesn’t know how the story goes. Elan does. He’s defeated his father and gained mastery. And he’s clear: Tarquin is sequel fodder. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2014, 11:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/8526 "2014-01-16T11:34:10Z")
> [@squeegee](#): > > Christ, Tarquin’s undoubtedly put a D&D 3.5 GPS tracker on Haley’s father, and will be ready to intercept Roy when the OOTS shows up. I’d say we’re a ways from the end of this book. Nope, we’re definitely in denouement territory. But that doesn’t mean Tarquin doesn’t have a tracker on Ian who, if he does join the OotS, will then be the means by which Tarquin makes a dramatic re-entrance some time in the future. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2014, 12:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/8527 "2014-01-16T12:08:52Z")
> [@squeegee](#): > > I’d say we’re a ways from the end of this book. > [@Gyrate](#): > > Nope, we’re definitely in denouement territory. Burlew said two strips ago : > **[OOTS #936 - The Discussion Thread](https://forums.giantitp.com/showthread.php?t=323356)** > > New comic is up. > > And since everyone will begin speculating immediately > No, this is not the last page in the book. It is pretty close, though. \*And since everyone will begin speculating immediately… No, this is not the last page in the book. It is pretty close, though. \* I’d guess there’s maybe one or two updates left in this book. Haley meeting her father will be resolved at the start of the next. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2014, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/8528 "2014-01-16T14:08:45Z")
Squee! Guess who got his OotS books today? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2014, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/8529 "2014-01-16T14:43:31Z")
Did Rich just get around to sending you yours, or did you order them separately from the Kickstarter campaign? ---
**Author:** ![thinksnow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thinksnow/32/2849_2.png) [@thinksnow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thinksnow)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2014, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/8530 "2014-01-16T15:14:21Z")
> [@Hypno-Toad](#): > > Tarquin would NOT like being described as “b-list.” It’s his defining fault that he doesn’t realize that he’s not the central plotline. [QUOTE=Jonathan Chance] Well, every man is the star of HIS story. Just not all stories are the biggest story. [/QUOTE] I found it interesting that Julio not only calls Tarquin_the_ b-list villain, but says, “…one of **my** b-list villains.” (emphasis mine). He is implying that he, himself, has at least one greater villain that is central to his story, and that there are other, equal-in-caliber-to-Tarquin, villains he deals with, too. …Not that this means anything to the OotS, I guess, since T and X are pretty much _their_ only villains, but it’s interesting to think about other Big Bad’s out there. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2014, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/8531 "2014-01-16T15:41:10Z")
There was a brief span there where, arguably, the primary villain of the strip was neither Xykon nor Tarquin, but Miko. At one point, she was actually #7 on the list of number of appearances, after only the Order themselves. The Order have also had among their antagonists the Linear Guild sans Tarquin, the black dragons (juvenile and ancient), the Greysky thieves’ guild, and Daimyo Kubota. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2014, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/8532 "2014-01-16T16:08:18Z")
> [@thinksnow](#): > > …Not that this means anything to the OotS, I guess, since T and X are pretty much _their_ only villains, but it’s interesting to think about other Big Bad’s out there. I want to see Xykon and Redcloak get killed in the next book and have Burlew reveal that the real central villain of the story is the Snail. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2014, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/8533 "2014-01-16T16:33:02Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I want to see Xykon and Redcloak get killed in the next book and have Burlew reveal that the real central villain of the story is the Snail. [The real evil mastermind revealed](http://static2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100430231718/oots/images/7/78/Flumph.jpg)! ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2014, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/8534 "2014-01-16T21:27:50Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Did Rich just get around to sending you yours, or did you order them separately from the Kickstarter campaign? I ordered them separately - I missed out on the Kickstarter. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2014, 10:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/8535 "2014-01-17T10:42:41Z")
[And another new strip](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0939.html)! “Mockery is one of the things I hold dear! **And he’s making a mockery of it**!” ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2014, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/8536 "2014-01-17T13:29:31Z")
Belkar = hipster tool. Love it! ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2014, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/8537 "2014-01-17T14:06:07Z")
Seems a little too easy. I don’t know if vampires are prone to losing control and overdoing it or a creeping alignment shift that would drive Durkon to killing/vamping a teammate or what. Isn’t Durkon going to need a coffin at some point? ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2014, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/8538 "2014-01-17T14:16:50Z")
Brilliant! ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2014, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/8539 "2014-01-17T14:30:07Z")
Actually, I wonder if they’re missing a simpler solution: have Durkon cast ‘Create Food & Drink’ every night. It should create food suitable for a vampire - blood. ---
**Author:** ![yellowjacketcoder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/4bbf92/32.png) [@yellowjacketcoder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yellowjacketcoder)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2014, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/8540 "2014-01-17T14:40:18Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > Actually, I wonder if they’re missing a simpler solution: have Durkon cast ‘Create Food & Drink’ every night. It should create food suitable for a vampire - blood. I think the problem with [Create Food and Water](http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/createFoodAndWater.htm) is that it explicity provides food for 3 _humans_, not for three _characters_, so as a vampire, it wouldn’t provide food for Durkferatu. That is extremely selfless of Roy to offer his blood for Durkon’s nourishment, even if he’s getting restoration cast right after. I have a feeling this will come back to bite him in the ass (pun intended). ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2014, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/8541 "2014-01-17T15:28:04Z")
> [@yellowjacketcoder](#): > > I think the problem with [Create Food and Water](http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/createFoodAndWater.htm) is that it explicity provides food for 3 _humans_, not for three _characters_ Oh, sure… food for three humans or one horse. But no elves, dwarves, halflings, orcs, etc 😛 Do vampires need living blood or can Durkon exsanguinate a freshly killed humanoid? Malack had his bloodwart tea but I don’t know if that provided nourishment or just setting. ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2014, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/8542 "2014-01-17T15:36:35Z")
Could Durkon feed on an animal? Could the OOTS keep a goat or something for that purpose? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323.md?page=426) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323.md?page=428)