# Order of the Stick - Book 5 Discussion Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 31, 2009, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323 "2009-08-31T04:09:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 43
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2010, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/841 "2010-05-17T21:42:58Z")
And giving his word of honor and keeping it. Seems Lawful. It’s interesting that in 4e, Warlord is a Bard-related class. I could swear there’s a 3E version that’s similar, but I mis-recall where. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2010, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/842 "2010-05-17T21:45:45Z")
> [@Crowbar\_of\_Irony\_3](#): > > Here’s hoping Elan’s dad approves of Harley. Well, he did push her out of a window. Probably nothing personal about it, but that’s the sort of thing that leads to really awkward Thanksgivings. ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2010, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/843 "2010-05-17T21:56:00Z")
> [@E-Sabbath](#): > > And giving his word of honor and keeping it. Seems Lawful. It’s interesting that in 4e, Warlord is a Bard-related class. I could swear there’s a 3E version that’s similar, but I mis-recall where. There’s the Marshal, a class designed to inspire allies, from the Miniatures Handbook; it got a little support in Complete Champion. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2010, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/844 "2010-05-17T22:04:56Z")
> [@](#): > > Apart from the slavery thing. And posting a bounty for killing his son. We haven’t seen him really directly involved with the slavery, and the bounty did pay off a lot more for alive than dead. Of course, on the other hand, we’ve only really seen him interact with his own son, so far, and said son happens to be a pretty likable guy to boot. Rich has written essays about how it’s perfectly possible for an evil person to have genuine friends he treats well, and the same is presumably true of family. ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2010, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/845 "2010-05-17T22:22:43Z")
Thank you, MHaye, that’s what I’m thinking of. ---
**Author:** ![Crowbar\_of\_Irony\_3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f08c70/32.png) [@Crowbar\_of\_Irony\_3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crowbar_of_Irony_3)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2010, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/846 "2010-05-18T01:27:09Z")
[New strip is up.](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0724.html) I love V and the lizard priest’s reaction. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2010, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/847 "2010-05-18T01:28:45Z")
> [@Crowbar\_of\_Irony\_3](#): > > [New strip is up.](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0724.html) > > I love V and the lizard priest’s reaction. Already posted. But yes, their little conversation is great. ---
**Author:** ![shantih](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f6c823/32.png) [@shantih](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shantih)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2010, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/848 "2010-05-19T21:29:43Z")
New one is up! [725 The Significantly-More-Secret Origin of Tarquin and Nale - Giant in the Playground Games](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0725.html) Nice to see the Linear Guild in early action. Hi, Thog! ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2010, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/849 "2010-05-19T21:37:25Z")
> [@shantih](#): > > Hi, Thog! I like how he seems to enjoy being gnawed on by a dragon. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2010, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/850 "2010-05-19T23:26:14Z")
> [@](#): > > I like how he seems to enjoy being gnawed on by a dragon. **fighting fun. yay!** ---
**Author:** ![wolfman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a8b319/32.png) [@wolfman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfman)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2010, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/851 "2010-05-20T01:01:29Z")
Good strip and all but I am starting to go through serious Belkar withdrawal. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2010, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/852 "2010-05-20T02:51:40Z")
Something I didn’t notice until it was pointed out on another forum; he said “after I left my first wife”…which implies at least one more. And possible half siblings, too. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2010, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/853 "2010-05-20T03:05:23Z")
By the way, did you notice \*which \*kingdom Tarquin conquered? [http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0680.html](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0680.html) ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2010, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/854 "2010-05-20T03:27:13Z")
> [@](#): > > Something I didn’t notice until it was pointed out on another forum; he said “after I left my first wife”…which implies at least one more. And possible half siblings, too. dun dun DUN!!! ---
**Author:** ![ultrafilter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/3d9bf3/32.png) [@ultrafilter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ultrafilter)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2010, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/855 "2010-05-20T04:30:28Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > By the way, did you notice \*which \*kingdom Tarquin conquered? > > [680 That's Why It's Called a Running Gag - Giant in the Playground Games](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0680.html) Nice catch. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2010, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/856 "2010-05-20T04:49:31Z")
I’m not thinking it’s significant. Per the flashback, he didn’t last a year, and as you can see Nale is still a sprout as they’re taking leave of the place. Ian Starshine’s captors were sending Haley ransom notes at about the time a goatee’d Nale was attempting his hostile takeover of the Empire of Blood. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2010, 9:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/857 "2010-05-20T09:04:54Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > I’m not thinking it’s significant. Per the flashback, he didn’t last a year… If that is a response to my post then I think you missed something. In strip [#680](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0680.html) we see a kingdom change hands twice. In [#720](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0725.html) Tarquin talks about his own kingdom. Note the golden throne. Note the heads wrapped in white. It’s the same one. ---
**Author:** ![JoseB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/joseb/32/1530_2.png) [@JoseB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JoseB)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2010, 11:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/858 "2010-05-20T11:56:20Z")
Also, did you see that Nale _already_ was sporting the beginnings of a goatee even when he was a baby? XD ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2010, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/859 "2010-05-20T18:48:00Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > If that is a response to my post then I think you missed something. In strip [#680](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0680.html) we see a kingdom change hands twice. > > In [#720](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0725.html) Tarquin talks about his own kingdom. Note the golden throne. Note the heads wrapped in white. It’s the same one. Oh, I got that. But I thought you were leading up to a hope that Tarquin was the one who had Ian Starshine, and I was pointing out that the timeline didn’t seem to allow for that. ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2010, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/860 "2010-05-20T19:27:25Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Oh, I got that. But I thought you were leading up to a hope that Tarquin was the one who had Ian Starshine, and I was pointing out that the timeline didn’t seem to allow for that. The timeline doesn’t allow for Tarquin to have been in power when Ian Starshine was captured (Starshine hasn’t been held captive for 15+ years, which is how long it’s been since Tarquin was deposed), but Tarquin could certainly be the one holding Starshine. He could easily be the one behind his kidnapping to boot. In fact, given that this is a comic, I don’t see any way that Tarquin _wasn’t_ behind Starshine’s capture and ransoming. The only question that will come out of this is whether this is all one massive coincidence or if Tarquin had some grand scheme in mind (although _On The Origin Of PCs_ kinda rule out the latter). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323.md?page=42) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323.md?page=44)