# Order of the Stick - Book 5 Discussion Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 31, 2009, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323 "2009-08-31T04:09:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 56
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2010, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/1101 "2010-09-09T16:11:58Z")
> [@Mr\_Shine](#): > > I just noticed these [posters](http://www.giantitp.com/Images/PostersTogetherBig.jpg) on the GitP website, (my new wallpaper). They seem to contain almost every named character in the OotS saga, including very minor ones. As far as I can tell though, there is no Ian Starshine. Seems like too big a name to either be an accidental omission or be left off for no reason. Anybody got any thoughts about that? We haven’t met him yet, have we? ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Shine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr_shine/32/464_2.png) [@Mr\_Shine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Shine)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2010, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/1102 "2010-09-09T16:32:24Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > > [@Mr\_Shine](#): > > > > I just noticed these [posters](http://www.giantitp.com/Images/PostersTogetherBig.jpg) on the GitP website, (my new wallpaper). They seem to contain almost every named character in the OotS saga, including very minor ones. As far as I can tell though, there is no Ian Starshine. Seems like too big a name to either be an accidental omission or be left off for no reason. Anybody got any thoughts about that? > > We haven’t met him yet, have we? I think he’s been in 3-4 flashback strips in the main comic. I haven’t read it but I think he has a major part in OtOoPCs. In any case the letter, the fact they’re now pretty close to where he is supposedly imprisoned, and the rules of drama have all made it clear he will be important to the plot in some way. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2010, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/1103 "2010-09-09T18:10:19Z")
We haven’t “met” the Dark One, or Serini, yet, either, but they’re both on the poster. And I think Elan’s mom is on there, too, though I’d have to double-check. Also notably missing is the Empress of Blood. ---
**Author:** ![Lynn\_Bodoni](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e47c2d/32.png) [@Lynn\_Bodoni](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lynn_Bodoni)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2010, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/1104 "2010-09-09T22:02:24Z")
I’m forbidden to access that poster. Do I need to create an account with the forum or something? ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Shine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr_shine/32/464_2.png) [@Mr\_Shine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Shine)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2010, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/1105 "2010-09-09T22:27:09Z")
It works for me, (maybe because it’s already in my cache). You don’t need to be a member or anything, maybe try copying the address straight to the URL bar. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2010, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/1106 "2010-09-09T22:33:45Z")
Click the link, then hit enter in the address bar again. ---
**Author:** ![wolfman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a8b319/32.png) [@wolfman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfman)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2010, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/1107 "2010-09-09T22:38:54Z")
Interesting, The oracle is a very prominent bad guy, sized far beyond his influence in the story so far. ---
**Author:** ![shantih](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f6c823/32.png) [@shantih](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shantih)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2010, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/1108 "2010-09-09T22:44:18Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > We haven’t “met” the Dark One, or Serini, yet, either, but they’re both on the poster. And I think Elan’s mom is on there, too, though I’d have to double-check. > > Also notably missing is the Empress of Blood. I don’t find Elan’s mother, but just look at Tarquin in his helmet right at the top of the bad guys poster. There are some real blasts from the past in there – Fruit Pie the Sorceror! Trigak the chimera! The dirt farmers! And is that the paladin Elan used to ride with in the lower left corner of the good guys poster? ---
**Author:** ![wolfman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a8b319/32.png) [@wolfman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfman)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2010, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/1109 "2010-09-09T22:47:07Z")
And the lawyers are split good and evil. Also Tivo is evil, but that one is no suprise. I am having fun with those posters, thank you. ---
**Author:** ![Maggie\_the\_Ocelot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@Maggie\_the\_Ocelot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maggie_the_Ocelot)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2010, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/1110 "2010-09-09T23:00:05Z")
Hm. Miko is “good” - so is Belkar. Yet one is definitely an antagonist to the party, and the other is acknowleged CE. OTOH, Thurkla (?) is on the “bad” side. I don’t necessarily disagree with these, but it’s still interesting to ponder. ---
**Author:** ![shantih](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f6c823/32.png) [@shantih](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shantih)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2010, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/1111 "2010-09-09T23:16:39Z")
I was stuck by Jenny the bard (/rogue/sorceror) being on the bad guys side, as well as Yokyok, whose was only out to avenge his father’s death. Old Blind Pete is missing, and I just realized that the Creature in the Darkness is firmly on the bad guys side, although I doubt he’ll turn out to be a true villain in the end. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2010, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/1112 "2010-09-09T23:44:37Z")
They’re divided by “good guy/bad guy”, not by “good/evil”. Therkla probably is actually evil (maybe willing to reform for Elan’s sake, but we’ll never really know), but the Monster in the Darkness and Right-Eye are both almost certainly good, and Yokyok probably is. But they all associate primarily with the evil folks, so that’s where they get put. With Jenny, we don’t really have any evidence for her alignment, other than that Haley got along well with her, but again, it’s the company she keeps: The thieve’s guild overall trends evil. ---
**Author:** ![Wolverine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/ba9def/32.png) [@Wolverine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolverine)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2010, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/1113 "2010-09-10T00:10:47Z")
Therkla has a foot on the good side, as in she’s not completely for the bad guys. Of course there are other characters with body parts and wings across the spread, but she’s one of the few that I think are intentional. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2010, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/1114 "2010-09-10T00:11:39Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > They’re divided by “good guy/bad guy”, not by “good/evil”. Therkla probably is actually evil (maybe willing to reform for Elan’s sake, but we’ll never really know), but the Monster in the Darkness and Right-Eye are both almost certainly good, and Yokyok probably is. But they all associate primarily with the evil folks, so that’s where they get put. With Jenny, we don’t really have any evidence for her alignment, other than that Haley got along well with her, but again, it’s the company she keeps: The thieve’s guild overall trends evil. Or, more precisely, “protagonist/antagonist.” Also, note that while Therkla is on the antagonist side, she’s got one foot in with the protagonists. Nice touch, that. ETA: Stupid wolverines. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2010, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/1115 "2010-09-10T01:18:33Z")
What gets me is that [Eric’s toy dragon](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0600.html)is on the evil side. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2010, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/1116 "2010-09-10T04:00:20Z")
Well, it’s a _green_ dragon. Color-coded for our convenience, you know. But I think that’s actually [Monster-san’s dragon](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0476.html), not Eric’s. I wonder if Eric’s is a representation of [the green dragon of Reddragonsvile](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0497.html)? ---
**Author:** ![Lynn\_Bodoni](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e47c2d/32.png) [@Lynn\_Bodoni](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lynn_Bodoni)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2010, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/1117 "2010-09-10T06:09:57Z")
> [@Mr\_Shine](#): > > It works for me, (maybe because it’s already in my cache). You don’t need to be a member or anything, maybe try copying the address straight to the URL bar. > [@Chronos](#): > > Click the link, then hit enter in the address bar again. Now I can see it in all its glory! Thanks. In _Don’t Split the Party_, there’s a bonus graph that shows who is connected to who(m), with helpful color coding. For instance, Belkar wants to have sex with V, while that flying female necromancer wants to have sex with Xyklon (sp?). ---
**Author:** ![Randy\_Seltzer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ee7513/32.png) [@Randy\_Seltzer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Randy_Seltzer)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2010, 8:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/1118 "2010-09-10T08:21:17Z")
Other poster thoughts:[ul][_]Elan’s hands are both occupied, and yet Banjo makes a solo appearance on the “good” side. [_]The Snarl seems to be on both sides. Or is that just fancy backdrop?[_]Some scars seem to be up-to-date (vis. O-Chul), but others aren’t (vis. Redcloak’s eye). [_]The only character I see facing the “wrong” way is the blind seer from Azure City.Why is Hilgya on the antagonist side? While she is a member of the linear guild, she seems to defect from it before doing too much harm…[/ul] ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2010, 11:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/1119 "2010-09-11T11:07:02Z")
> [@wolfman](#): > > Interesting, The oracle is a very prominent bad guy, sized far beyond his influence in the story so far. [Don’t read too much into this, sez Rich.](http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9295927&postcount=4) (Not that it’ll stop anyone from actually doing so, but hey.) ---
**Author:** ![Trion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ccd318/32.png) [@Trion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trion)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2010, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/1120 "2010-09-12T19:40:19Z")
New strip is up: [http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0746.html](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0746.html) Fantastic reference for us old timers. 🙂 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323.md?page=55) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323.md?page=57)