# Order of the Stick - Book 5 Discussion Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 31, 2009, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323 "2009-08-31T04:09:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 80
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2011, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/1581 "2011-02-10T02:01:54Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Not even her last statement to Elan that the potion only works on things that aren’t true? Looking at the strip from when she was bluffing their way in, ALL of her speech balloons are tinted, even when she makes an obviously true statement. So it’s ambiguous whether she’s telling the truth to Elan. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2011, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/1582 "2011-02-10T04:42:33Z")
I think it probably does only work on lies, though, or she _would_ have told her dad to trust Elan. But then again, [the first time we see her using the Bluff skill](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0008.html), she doesn’t actually tell any lies, either. So I’m not sure. ---
**Author:** ![shantih](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f6c823/32.png) [@shantih](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shantih)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2011, 8:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/1583 "2011-02-10T08:36:03Z")
> [@Crowbar\_of\_Irony\_3](#): > > I must be tired out from work. I cannot figure out if Haley was being truthful to her father. Not everything Haley says while under the influence of the potion a lie, is it? Remember, only the last thing she says to Ian is powered by Glibness. Everything else was inside the Anti-Magic Field. I interpret what Haley said to Elan as meaning that the Glibness only ups the believability of lies; the truth stands on its own merits. And wow, poignant farewell between Haley and Ian there. He’s clearly happy and reassured, but she must feel terribly alone. Being a parent is rough stuff – you do the best you can with who you are and what you know at the time, but your own limitations mean that you’re almost inevitably installing the next generation’s need for therapy. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2011, 8:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/1584 "2011-02-10T08:58:58Z")
> [@shantih](#): > > And wow, poignant farewell between Haley and Ian there. He’s clearly happy and reassured, but she must feel terribly alone. I think she’d be a lot more alone if she didn’t have Elan and Roy - the first to love her unconditionally and give her someone to look after, and the second to serve as the big brother she never had. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2011, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/1585 "2011-02-10T13:04:45Z")
> [@shantih](#): > > Being a parent is rough stuff – you do the best you can with who you are and what you know at the time, but your own limitations mean that you’re almost inevitably installing the next generation’s need for therapy. [They fuck you up, your mum and dad.](http://www.artofeurope.com/larkin/lar2.htm) ---
**Author:** ![vislor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/vislor/32/5933_2.png) [@vislor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vislor)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2011, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/1586 "2011-02-10T13:30:49Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > [They fuck you up, your mum and dad.](http://www.artofeurope.com/larkin/lar2.htm) That was awesome! Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![shantih](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f6c823/32.png) [@shantih](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shantih)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2011, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/1587 "2011-02-10T16:30:46Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > [They fuck you up, your mum and dad.](http://www.artofeurope.com/larkin/lar2.htm) _wiping a tear_ That was beautiful, man. ---
**Author:** ![Finagle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b19c9b/32.png) [@Finagle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Finagle)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2011, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/1588 "2011-02-10T17:25:41Z")
So how does an anti-magic field work? It is generated by an artifact? Do the spells need refreshing often? Seems to me that a portable anti-magic field would be very useful for a party of adventurers. Especially, say, if they were going up against a powerful Lich. Could a Lich even survive in an anti-magic field? Seems to me that something that’s essentially an animated pile of bones wouldn’t last long if the magic goes away. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2011, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/1589 "2011-02-10T20:34:36Z")
You either find a naturally-occurring zone of antimagic and build your prison there, or you use the rules for magical architecture in _The Stronghold Builder’s Guide_. It’s not easy to make a permanent portable one. Corporeal undead can exist and retain their mundane functions (walking around, hitting people with physical objects, etc.) in an antimagic field, but (like anyone) can’t use spells or spell-like or supernatural abilities. This would certainly inconvenience Xykon, but being epic, he’s sure to have some workarounds available to him. As long as the Order has time to prepare for their final showdown, it’s quite likely that Vaarsuvius will have a temporary AMF cast at the time. ---
**Author:** ![ultrafilter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/3d9bf3/32.png) [@ultrafilter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ultrafilter)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2011, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/1590 "2011-02-11T18:34:48Z")
[775](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0775.html) is up. ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2011, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/1591 "2011-02-11T18:40:29Z")
And there’s the green-haired elf, still glaring away at V. _Innnnn_teresting… ---
**Author:** ![Lynn\_Bodoni](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e47c2d/32.png) [@Lynn\_Bodoni](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lynn_Bodoni)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2011, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/1592 "2011-02-11T19:04:42Z")
My sanity demands that I do not engage that statement. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2011, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/1593 "2011-02-11T19:06:23Z")
“Up With Beings” ---
**Author:** ![shantih](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f6c823/32.png) [@shantih](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shantih)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2011, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/1594 "2011-02-12T00:36:26Z")
Bad Year, heh. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2011, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/1595 "2011-02-12T01:43:10Z")
Is it my imagination or does the palace in the background look an awful lot like the one in Disney’s [_Aladdin_](http://fondosdisney.com.es/wallpaper/Aladdin/)? Are they both based on something else? ---
**Author:** ![ultrafilter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/3d9bf3/32.png) [@ultrafilter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ultrafilter)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2011, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/1596 "2011-02-12T02:31:04Z")
It’s more than a little reminiscent of the [Al Abbas Mosque](https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Al_Abbas_Mosque). ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2011, 10:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/1597 "2011-02-12T10:17:21Z")
> [@ultrafilter](#): > > [775](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0775.html) is up. Bah. If he’d ever stood in an amphitheatre, he’d know that you don’t need a microphone: as long as the crowd is quiet, the acoustics are such that you just need to project your voice. ---
**Author:** ![Agent\_Foxtrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc29f/32.png) [@Agent\_Foxtrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Agent_Foxtrot)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2011, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/1598 "2011-02-12T15:08:11Z")
> [@Hal\_Briston](#): > > And there’s the green-haired elf, still glaring away at V. _Innnnn_teresting… It looked to me like the green-haired girl was glaring at the cat. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2011, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/1599 "2011-02-12T23:32:10Z")
> [@Hal\_Briston](#): > > And there’s the green-haired elf, still glaring away at V. _Innnnn_teresting… I’ve said this before but I’m guessing Vaarsuvius’ act of genocide has become known to the wider world. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2011, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323/1600 "2011-02-13T02:08:15Z")
Upon further searching, the green haired elf is the elven abbassador named Polozius, introduced [here](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0742.html). Noted by V’s raven to be hostile to V [here](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0754.html). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323.md?page=79) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-5-discussion-thread/508323.md?page=81)