# Order of the Stick - Book 6 Discussion Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 3, 2014, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755 "2014-03-03T16:07:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 100
**Author:** ![fachverwirrt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/94ad74/32.png) [@fachverwirrt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fachverwirrt)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2015, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1981 "2015-10-28T03:43:50Z")
In [strip 1000](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1000.html) Roy asks Wrecan if the death of a cleric nullifies that cleric’s deity’s vote. Wrecan responds “I suppose”. I suppose that “I suppose” could be ambiguous and Wrecan is wrong. But certainly Roy’s purpose in killing Durkon is to nullify Hel’s vote. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2015, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1982 "2015-10-28T04:01:02Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > I’m guessing that if Durkevil dies, then his vote would still stand, the group would remain deadlocked, but anyone thralled by him would be freed, including representatives of demigods. Freed but still Evil and presumably inhabited by Hel mojo, so not much difference there. Or maybe not, now that I think about it - I don’t recall whether that was Jossed in the comic but how come Hel got to claim Durkula, when he was vamp’d by a disciple of Nergal ? Godly jurisdiction over dorfs/people from the Northern Lands or something like that ? ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Scrappy\_Hero\_Pup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ea5d25/32.png) [@Happy\_Scrappy\_Hero\_Pup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Scrappy_Hero_Pup)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2015, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1983 "2015-10-28T05:43:11Z")
[I am first to post the new strip this time!!!](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1010.html) w00t!!! Looks like there’s something to this green effect after all. ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2015, 6:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1984 "2015-10-28T06:17:19Z")
Sorry, no scooby snacks. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2015, 7:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1985 "2015-10-28T07:42:27Z")
yh he’s healed in normal colour now. Incredibly powerful effect, would love to know the limitations ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2015, 7:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1986 "2015-10-28T07:54:47Z")
Just my WAG, but perhaps the new effects have nothing to do with any intrinsic powers of the sword, but are in fact caused by some unknown player trying to influence events? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2015, 10:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1987 "2015-10-28T10:01:51Z")
Am I the only one to think “Jesus, Roy, don’t stop _now_!”? ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2015, 11:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1988 "2015-10-28T11:20:27Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Am I the only one to think “Jesus, Roy, don’t stop _now_!”? Nope. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2015, 11:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1989 "2015-10-28T11:35:40Z")
Oooh, I hadn’t noticed Roy had been fully healed by his flipping the fuck out, too. That sword is a pretty handy little toy ! ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2015, 11:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1990 "2015-10-28T11:37:56Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Am I the only one to think “Jesus, Roy, don’t stop _now_!”? Reflection is a free action. ---
**Author:** ![vislor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/vislor/32/5933_2.png) [@vislor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vislor)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2015, 11:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1991 "2015-10-28T11:49:43Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Am I the only one to think “Jesus, Roy, don’t stop _now_!”? Nope from me as well. Hoping it is just a pause before Finish Him! ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2015, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1992 "2015-10-28T13:12:28Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > I’m guessing that if Durkevil dies, then his vote would still stand, the group would remain deadlocked, but anyone thralled by him would be freed, including representatives of demigods. No. [Roy asks if](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1000.html), were a deity no longer has a cleric present by the tie-breaker would their vote still stand and Wrecan says no. Destroying Durkon will nullify Hel’s vote and break the tie in favor of saving the world. Durkon probably did not kill the demigod priests because they are covered by the protections of the Godsmoot. Even if the other clerics weren’t immediately aware to stop it, the respective deities would still protest and probably nullify Hel’s vote for breaking the rules. Durkon was only able to kill the Stone priests [because they are nontheistic](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0995.html) and so have no deity to protest on their behalf (nor are they actual representatives at the Godsmoot). If Durkon was to vamp/thrall any of them, they would be clerics of Hel and not get an extra vote. Just out of left field, if Durkon gets destroyed and _Resurrected_, I wonder if he’ll still retain knowledge of the _Protection from Daylight_ spell he researched as a vampire. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2015, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1993 "2015-10-28T13:30:24Z")
Divine magic isn’t like arcane magic. Anybody can learn an arcane spell if they see a spellbook and have time to copy the spell. Divine magic is still granted by a deity - in this case, Hel. So I’d wager that Durkon would be unable to cast it, since he’s not actually the one who researched it; the Durkula demon is. ---
**Author:** ![yellowjacketcoder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/4bbf92/32.png) [@yellowjacketcoder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yellowjacketcoder)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2015, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1994 "2015-10-28T14:18:48Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > Divine magic isn’t like arcane magic. Anybody can learn an arcane spell if they see a spellbook and have time to copy the spell. Divine magic is still granted by a deity - in this case, Hel. So I’d wager that Durkon would be unable to cast it, since he’s not actually the one who researched it; the Durkula demon is. True, but there was a whole comic about how deities allow clerics that do not worship them to cast spells from their domain. Just like Durkon can cast Firestorm despite Fire being from Loki’s domain while he was a cleric of Thor. So presumably he’d still be able to cast _Protection from Daylight_ due to the divine rules around spell-granting. Why he would _want_ to is another matter. ---
**Author:** ![mlees](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba8739/32.png) [@mlees](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mlees)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2015, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1995 "2015-10-28T14:21:44Z")
First panel, upper right corner. Dude in the animal skull hat has the same red eyes (and overbite) as Durkon. Vampire thrall? ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2015, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1996 "2015-10-28T14:31:49Z")
> [@mlees](#): > > First panel, upper right corner. Dude in the animal skull hat has the same red eyes (and overbite) as Durkon. Vampire thrall? That’s Fenrir’s priest (god of monsters). In the comic where [everyone gives their votes](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0999.html), he also has animal ears and a tail. No idea what race he’s supposed to be. While divine spells are granted by their respective deities, divine magic is still treated much the same as arcane magic in Stickworld. We had this discussion when Durkon was first killed by Malack. If the spells were purely divine favors, how could Durkon cast a spell with a secret backdoor inserted by Malack? “Dear Thor, please grant me protection from negative energy unless someone says ‘Xxzyzy’ in which case never mind and let them kill me. Amen.” To go in the other direction, can Vampire Durkon currently cast Mass Death Ward? ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2015, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1997 "2015-10-28T15:07:26Z")
> [@Happy\_Scrappy\_Hero\_Pup](#): > > [I am first to post the new strip this time!!!](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1010.html) Sorry, pup. Not even close. See post #1965 ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2015, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1998 "2015-10-28T15:10:58Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > So the clerics of Elemental Earth are the only open vote left. I’m still going to bet the tie breaker is Banjo. ---
**Author:** ![mlees](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba8739/32.png) [@mlees](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mlees)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2015, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1999 "2015-10-28T16:10:36Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > That’s Fenrir’s priest (god of monsters). In the comic where [everyone gives their votes](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0999.html), he also has animal ears and a tail. No idea what race he’s supposed to be. Right, but he didn’t have the red eyes in that earlier strip. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2015, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/2000 "2015-10-28T16:32:22Z")
> [@mlees](#): > > Right, but he didn’t have the red eyes in that earlier strip. Everyone has yellow eyes because they’re casting their proxies. Afterward, everyone’s eyes seem to have reverted and his eyes just happen to be red. [He’s also shown here](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1005.html). I think he’s just a monster of some type. Plus Fenrir was voting “Yes” anyway. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755.md?page=99) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755.md?page=101)