# Order of the Stick - Book 6 Discussion Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 3, 2014, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755 "2014-03-03T16:07:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 115
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2016, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/2281 "2016-01-04T13:41:21Z")
[1017 Personnel Changes](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1017.html) ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2016, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/2282 "2016-01-04T14:02:05Z")
hmmm is the proxy spell a high enough level that random new vamp wouldn’t be able to cast it? Does it not matter as Hel’s vote already cast and only a nom9inated high priest needs to be present now? ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Shine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr_shine/32/464_2.png) [@Mr\_Shine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Shine)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2016, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/2283 "2016-01-04T15:16:23Z")
It’s Rich’s sandpit and he can do what he likes with it, but i say that’s far too many vampires to be plausibly quickvamped based on Malack’s description of the staff and spell earlier. ---
**Author:** ![Yllaria](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yllaria/32/3452_2.png) [@Yllaria](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yllaria)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2016, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/2284 "2016-01-04T15:30:27Z")
Too many reps on the floor? ---
**Author:** ![yellowjacketcoder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/4bbf92/32.png) [@yellowjacketcoder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yellowjacketcoder)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2016, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/2285 "2016-01-04T15:31:40Z")
> [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](#): > > hmmm is the proxy spell a high enough level that random new vamp wouldn’t be able to cast it? Does it not matter as Hel’s vote already cast and only a nom9inated high priest needs to be present now? I somewhat think the plan is for enough of the no vote priests to get whacked so that it doesn’t matter how the proxy works. The think is, I don’t think the yes vote priests are going to stand idly by while their compatriots get eaten. Clerics are custom made for battling undead and the prohibition against spell using isn’t going to apply now that the clerics are defending themselves from outside attack. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2016, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/2286 "2016-01-04T15:38:01Z")
Yeah, looks like too many vamps to me, too. ---
**Author:** ![Grey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b782af/32.png) [@Grey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grey)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2016, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/2287 "2016-01-04T15:48:45Z")
Vamps or thralls?I think they’re mainly thralls. ---
**Author:** ![Grey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b782af/32.png) [@Grey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grey)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2016, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/2288 "2016-01-04T16:00:07Z")
Which raises a question like, “Can a thrall, lacking free will, be in a position to be a high priest?”. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2016, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/2289 "2016-01-04T17:04:20Z")
Thralls are vamps who don’t have free will. They fall under the restrictions on raising more vamps quickly. ---
**Author:** ![thinksnow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thinksnow/32/2849_2.png) [@thinksnow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thinksnow)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2016, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/2290 "2016-01-04T18:27:47Z")
As soon as any of them attack, though, wouldn’t the rules apply that compel _everyone_ to turn against the side that attacked a representative? [Rules](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1008.html) (no Sneak Attack) being what [they are](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1000.html) (bodyguard attacks = death), though, I don’t know what happens when a priest attacks. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2016, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/2291 "2016-01-04T18:54:36Z")
> [@Mr\_Shine](#): > > It’s Rich’s sandpit and he can do what he likes with it, but i say that’s far too many vampires to be plausibly quickvamped based on Malack’s description of the staff and spell earlier. Seems like too many people in general. Are they all Elemental Stone dudes? Because the Exarch was sort of a loophole. ---
**Author:** ![wolfman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a8b319/32.png) [@wolfman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfman)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2016, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/2292 "2016-01-04T19:24:00Z")
As soon as the Dwarves leave, doesn’t that open the door to Roy quickly killing the new rep and nullifying Hel’s vote? It would be strange if a random frontist NPC was any match for him. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Shine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr_shine/32/464_2.png) [@Mr\_Shine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Shine)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2016, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/2293 "2016-01-04T19:29:22Z")
> [@wolfman](#): > > As soon as the Dwarves leave, doesn’t that open the door to Roy quickly killing the new rep and nullifying Hel’s vote? It would be strange if a random frontist NPC was any match for him. I’m guessing he’s Durkon’s bodyguard, not “Hel’s High Priest”'s bodyguard. Roy attacking frontvamp will trigger the same consequenses as anybody else. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2016, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/2294 "2016-01-04T20:01:23Z")
“Frontarchy”? ---
**Author:** ![oft\_wears\_hats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7993a0/32.png) [@oft\_wears\_hats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/oft_wears_hats)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2016, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/2295 "2016-01-04T20:03:43Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > “Frontarchy”? As in, “led by the person in the front,” since Durkon simply selected the thrall in front as the representative. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2016, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/2296 "2016-01-04T20:44:24Z")
And by saying that, the Exarch established the precedent that, even if Roy destroys that one, the next one after her will just be the High Priest, and so on until he’s killed all of them. ---
**Author:** ![arseNal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecae2f/32.png) [@arseNal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/arseNal)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2016, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/2297 "2016-01-04T21:42:01Z")
If it was so easy to create a mini-army of vampires like that, why this complicated plan by Hel? Can’t she just create a vampire apocalypse and take over the world? We’ve seen that just one or two of them are basically unbeatable with their mist and dominate and slam attacks, it seems they’d be able vamp the entire prime material plane in a matter of weeks. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2016, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/2298 "2016-01-04T23:36:02Z")
Sheesh, I noticed that the [last strip](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0901.html) with Xykon & Redcloak was (c)2013. Maybe we’ll see them again before 2018. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2016, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/2299 "2016-01-04T23:42:34Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > And by saying that, the Exarch established the precedent that, even if Roy destroys that one, the next one after her will just be the High Priest, and so on until he’s killed all of them. I think Roy can work with that . . . ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2016, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/2300 "2016-01-05T00:07:22Z")
> [@arseNal](#): > > If it was so easy to create a mini-army of vampires like that, why this complicated plan by Hel? Can’t she just create a vampire apocalypse and take over the world? We’ve seen that just one or two of them are basically unbeatable with their mist and dominate and slam attacks, it seems they’d be able vamp the entire prime material plane in a matter of weeks. Durkon has a powerful magical item (Malack’s staff) that allows him to speed up the process of turning people into vampires. Also, both Malack and Durkon were, in addition to being vampires, very high level characters, which makes them significantly more dangerous. A vampire who’s also a 1st level peasant isn’t nearly as hard to kill as a vampire who’s also a 15th level cleric. Also, the thing about vampires in general (at least in D&D) is that if the party isn’t expecting to fight vampires, they can be incredibly deadly. But if they have time to specifically prep for fighting vampires, you can completely neutralize the majority of their really deadly attacks with a couple of mid-level spells. An attempted Vampire Apocalypse would be relatively easy to defeat, once the nature of the threat was fully apprehended. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755.md?page=114) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755.md?page=116)