# Order of the Stick - Book 6 Discussion Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 3, 2014, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755 "2014-03-03T16:07:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 136
**Author:** ![shantih](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f6c823/32.png) [@shantih](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shantih)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2016, 9:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/2701 "2016-05-23T09:23:27Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Chronos apparently finds your Zeus theory hard to swallow. This comment makes me unreasonably happy. Well done! ---
**Author:** ![vislor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/vislor/32/5933_2.png) [@vislor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vislor)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2016, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/2702 "2016-05-23T12:48:10Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Chronos apparently finds your Zeus theory hard to swallow. \ ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2016, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/2703 "2016-05-23T12:53:06Z")
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**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2016, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/2704 "2016-05-23T16:56:33Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > Xykon is an epic-level caster. An epic Charm spell might do the trick. And he was injured and vulnerable. And the charm send to be wearing off. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2016, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/2705 "2016-05-23T17:17:39Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > And he was injured and vulnerable. And the charm send to be wearing off. I’m not sure it ever worked. I thing he might have stayed with Xykon out of immaturity and insecurity, and not because of any magic. Xykon gave him a home, so he stayed. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2016, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/2706 "2016-05-23T22:14:21Z")
The charm was specifically only to trigger if Redcloak ever turned on Xykon, and has nothing to do with him continuing to hang out with Team Evil. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/2707 "2016-05-24T16:39:55Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > The charm was specifically only to trigger if Redcloak ever turned on Xykon, and has nothing to do with him continuing to hang out with Team Evil. Since you’re discussing it openly, I’ll go ahead and ask. How is it a major part of the plot? I don’t remember Redcloak ever turning, and wouldn’t that mean that reading the book was actually necessary? Hell, I’d completely forgotten it happened. It’s one panel, and it seemed to contradict everything Xykon says at the end about why he knows that Redcloak won’t defy him. (Though, personally, I say Xykon is wrong. It really is only the mission that motivates him. That’s the something that he has to justify his actions with.) ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/2708 "2016-05-24T17:42:13Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Chronos apparently finds your Zeus theory hard to swallow. Legendary ---
**Author:** ![Yllaria](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yllaria/32/3452_2.png) [@Yllaria](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yllaria)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/2709 "2016-05-24T18:37:06Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Chronos apparently finds your Zeus theory hard to swallow. Ouch. That’s given me a pounding headache. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/2710 "2016-05-24T18:54:01Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Hell, I’d completely forgotten it happened. It’s one panel, and it seemed to contradict everything Xykon says at the end about why he knows that Redcloak won’t defy him. But Xykon was saying that _to_ Redcloak - so it may have been something he was saying for effect rather than because he fully believed it. There’s a balance between Xykon and Redcloak that both recognize. I think Xykon is smart enough to realize that Redcloak is smarter than he is while also knowing that he is more powerful than Redcloak. ---
**Author:** ![Uniqueorn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uniqueorn/32/2807_2.png) [@Uniqueorn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uniqueorn)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/2711 "2016-05-24T19:40:58Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Chronos apparently finds your Zeus theory hard to swallow. > [@Yllaria](#): > > Ouch. That’s given me a pounding headache. Gosh, now I get it. I think the preferred spelling is Kronos or Cronus. Still, very clever and funny! (as are the responses!) ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/2712 "2016-05-24T20:45:17Z")
> [@](#): > > Quoth **BigT** : > > Since you’re discussing it openly, I’ll go ahead and ask. How is it a major part of the plot? I don’t remember Redcloak ever turning, and wouldn’t that mean that reading the book was actually necessary? It isn’t yet a major part of the plot, because your memory is correct, and Redcloak hasn’t yet turned, and so that book is not necessary. Presumably, if Redcloak does eventually turn on Xykon in the main strip, Rich will introduce that plot point in the main strip at some time at or before then. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/2713 "2016-05-24T20:56:34Z")
> [@Uniqueorn](#): > > Gosh, now I get it. I think the preferred spelling is Kronos or Cronus. Still, very clever and funny! (as are the responses!) Chronos (the personification of time) and Kronos (the lord of the Titans, father of Zeus) are actually two different entities. Chronos (the poster) has been showing admirable restraint by not reminding us of that. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/2714 "2016-05-24T21:01:19Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Chronos (the personification of time) and Kronos (the lord of the Titans, father of Zeus) are actually two different entities. Chronos (the poster) has been showing admirable restraint by not reminding us of that. Eh, he’s got time. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/2715 "2016-05-24T21:02:25Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Chronos (the personification of time) and Kronos (the lord of the Titans, father of Zeus) are actually two different entities. Chronos (the poster) has been showing admirable restraint by not reminding us of that. I knew this and I actually hesitated to make the joke because I also knew, on this board, somebody else would catch it. But I figured even back in classical Greek times, people confused Χρόνος with Κρόνος so I decided to go with it. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/2716 "2016-05-24T21:23:33Z")
> [@Yllaria](#): > > Ouch. That’s given me a pounding headache. Athen’ what you did there. ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/2717 "2016-05-24T21:24:52Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > … But I figured even back in classical Greek times, people confused Χρόνος with Κρόνος so I decided to go with it. It was puntastic. I confess to have guffawed a bit. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/2718 "2016-05-24T21:52:43Z")
Yeah, it was too good a joke to ruin. And besides, the boundaries between different gods are always a bit blurry anyway, so there might be some sense in which Χρόνος _was_ Κρόνος, after all. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2016, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/2719 "2016-05-25T02:15:41Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > Eh, he’s got time. Nice one. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2016, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/2720 "2016-05-25T22:17:09Z")
While we’re on the subject of MiTD. Redcloak thinks he knows what MiTD is. Redcloak knows that Xykon is keeping him around for a reason, even if that reason involves whimsy. Redcloak may suspect that Xykon has hypnotized him. I say this because Redcloak has had years to think about Xykon and his capabilities. Xykon intuits that Redcloak may suspect something, but doesn’t care. Redcloak understands this. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755.md?page=135) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755.md?page=137)