# Order of the Stick - Book 6 Discussion Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 3, 2014, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755 "2014-03-03T16:07:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 138
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2016, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/2741 "2016-06-07T14:16:31Z")
Hah, _second_ webcomic I’ve read today that needs a trypophobia trigger warning (I’ve been playing catchup with CtrlAltDel, which has t[his lovely fellow](http://www.cad-comic.com/cad/20160318)in a recent story). I love it, suitably annoying dungeon concept. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2016, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/2742 "2016-06-07T15:06:25Z")
I was just thinking that the smart move would be to have the entrance be “none of the above” (see also: the skeletal Xykon duplicates at the attack on Azure City). ---
**Author:** ![blue\_infinity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blue_infinity/32/2817_2.png) [@blue\_infinity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blue_infinity)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2016, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/2743 "2016-06-07T15:21:36Z")
Welcome to the tomb of [del]Tal Rasha[/del] Kraagor. There are 98 unmarked doors, and 16 marked ones. Plus whatever’s off-screen > [@MrDibble](#): > > trypophobia PSA: Don’t google that. Ignorance is bliss. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2016, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/2744 "2016-06-07T15:27:35Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > I was just thinking that the smart move would be to have the entrance be “none of the above” (see also: the skeletal Xykon duplicates at the attack on Azure City). But in the two cases where we’ve seen that kind of duplicity (the Xykon duplicates and the fake desert gate location) they were created by people who were already disposed towards duplicity (Redcloak and Girard Draketooth). Kraagor’s tomb was developed by Serini Toormuck and her nature, from what we’ve seen, was very straightforward. Serini built her gate protection around the principle of powerful creatures not concealment. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2016, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/2745 "2016-06-07T18:15:31Z")
[Sereni was a rogue](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0276.html). Aren’t they tricky by definition? ---
**Author:** ![Hypno-Toad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b2d939/32.png) [@Hypno-Toad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hypno-Toad)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2016, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/2746 "2016-06-07T19:23:31Z")
I wonder if the gate is accessed under the statue. ---
**Author:** ![oft\_wears\_hats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7993a0/32.png) [@oft\_wears\_hats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/oft_wears_hats)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2016, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/2747 "2016-06-07T19:47:03Z")
That’s a very interesting thought. Didn’t the Order of the Scribble show them working to seal the gate outside, with Kraagor getting turned to stone due to the sealing spell? That would seem to suggest that he’s sitting right on top of the gate. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2016, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/2748 "2016-06-07T20:46:38Z")
> [@oft\_wears\_hats](#): > > That’s a very interesting thought. Didn’t the Order of the Scribble show them working to seal the gate outside, with Kraagor getting turned to stone due to the sealing spell? No, he wasn’t turned to stone by the sealing spell. The statue came later (see #276). Notice though that the Snarl was fought out in the open, thus the Rift was out in the open, so it probably is sealed by Kraagor’s statue anyway. And not in any of the caves. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2016, 8:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/2749 "2016-06-08T08:47:12Z")
The gate being in/near/under the statue would be particularly funny given the time Xykon just spent standing there “decorating” it. ---
**Author:** ![Wolverine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/ba9def/32.png) [@Wolverine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolverine)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2016, 9:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/2750 "2016-06-08T09:48:53Z")
The new artwork for Xykon takes a little to get used to. When we last saw him in [#901](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0901.html), he still had the giant bottom jaw with the neck blocked. New Xykon has a smaller, thinner jaw with the neck bone visible. The eye sockets are clearly sunken with a brow ridge creating a more normal skull shape instead of the lightbulb look from before. I don’t think the switch is wrong, just a little jarring at first. More evil, less comical. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2016, 11:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/2751 "2016-06-08T11:05:22Z")
Wait, what if that’s not actually Xykon? Maybe he’s a quadruplet! ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2016, 11:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/2752 "2016-06-08T11:14:52Z")
> [@Wolverine](#): > > The new artwork for Xykon takes a little to get used to. When we last saw him in [#901](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0901.html), he still had the giant bottom jaw with the neck blocked. New Xykon has a smaller, thinner jaw with the neck bone visible. The eye sockets are clearly sunken with a brow ridge creating a more normal skull shape instead of the lightbulb look from before. I don’t think the switch is wrong, just a little jarring at first. More evil, less comical. Hadn’t noticed that (also he seems to have smaller but more numerous teeth, which do make for a more sinister look). However I did notice Redcloak’s boot update, he seems to have clawed feet now or something. Weird soleret design perhaps ? The bugbear lady also has boots-with-individual-toes. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2016, 12:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/2753 "2016-06-08T12:12:16Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Hadn’t noticed that (also he seems to have smaller but more numerous teeth, which do make for a more sinister look). However I did notice Redcloak’s boot update, he seems to have clawed feet now or something. Weird soleret design perhaps ? The bugbear lady also has boots-with-individual-toes. He’s wearing boots because it’s cold, obviously. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2016, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/2754 "2016-06-08T14:51:30Z")
Right, but typical boots have rounded ends ; whereas Redcloak’s ones seem to have individual toes. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2016, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/2755 "2016-06-08T14:58:17Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Right, but typical boots have rounded ends ; whereas Redcloak’s ones seem to have individual toes. It’s likely his boots are of local bugbear manufacture with anti-cold protections, so more … Basic? Rustic? _Taxidermic_?..than he’d get back home. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2016, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/2756 "2016-06-08T15:00:12Z")
> [@blue\_infinity](#): > > There are 98 unmarked doors, and 16 marked ones. Plus whatever’s off-screen You have too much time on your hands 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![oft\_wears\_hats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7993a0/32.png) [@oft\_wears\_hats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/oft_wears_hats)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2016, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/2757 "2016-06-08T16:01:28Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > No, he wasn’t turned to stone by the sealing spell. The statue came later (see #276). Notice though that the Snarl was fought out in the open, thus the Rift was out in the open, so it probably is sealed by Kraagor’s statue anyway. And not in any of the caves. Are we sure of that? Kraagor’s surprised face on the statue, coupled with Soon’s order to cast the sealing spell always made me think that Kraagor was petrified. That doesn’t explain the pedestal though. Girard and Dorukan did blame Soon for Kraagor’s death, so is it at least implied that Kraagor was killed by the sealing spell, if not petrified? ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2016, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/2758 "2016-06-08T16:32:10Z")
I did a [quick Paint job](http://imgur.com/P2h4rJp) and removed the glasses and tongue and he doesn’t look particularly surprised to me. Maybe because the eyes are empty you see it but his mouth seems pretty “meh”. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2016, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/2759 "2016-06-08T19:00:07Z")
> [@oft\_wears\_hats](#): > > Are we sure of that? Kraagor’s surprised face on the statue, coupled with Soon’s order to cast the sealing spell always made me think that Kraagor was petrified. That doesn’t explain the pedestal though… The pedestal and the way Kraagor is standing are both give-aways. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2016, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/2760 "2016-06-11T05:02:23Z")
Well, we got what I wanted–an excuse for why Xykon won’t already be way ahead of the Order of the Stick while they are out saving the world. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755.md?page=137) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755.md?page=139)