# Order of the Stick - Book 6 Discussion Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 3, 2014, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755 "2014-03-03T16:07:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 155
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2016, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/3081 "2016-09-21T22:28:18Z")
There’s no evidence that Belkar has Giants as a Favoured Enemy. But he does get 8 attacks per round, 4 with +12 (+2 Str, +5 weapon, +5 Collision) or more damage (average 14.5), and 4 attacks with +6 (+2 Str, +4 weapon) or more damage (average 8.5). So if all 8 attacks hit, he does an average of 92 HP damage, or 100 damage if his Str is 16 or 17. More if he uses his Barbarian Rage. Since he can’t use Power Attack with light weapons, he’s attacking at full BAB too. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2016, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/3082 "2016-09-21T22:54:58Z")
What’s BAB? And does that calculation include his [new weapon?](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0960.html) ---
**Author:** ![ekedolphin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ekedolphin/32/10003_2.png) [@ekedolphin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekedolphin)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2016, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/3083 "2016-09-21T23:11:37Z")
“Belkar, that’s the wrong kind of bird! That one can’t fly!” Hee. ---
**Author:** ![satogata](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/df705f/32.png) [@satogata](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/satogata)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2016, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/3084 "2016-09-21T23:36:06Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > What’s BAB? Base Attack Bonus. For Barbarians, for instance, see the second column of the top table at [http://www.d20srd.org/srd/classes/barbarian.htm](http://www.d20srd.org/srd/classes/barbarian.htm). Dunno about the dagger enchantments though. “Mustelid evacuation habits.” Heh. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2016, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/3085 "2016-09-22T00:59:34Z")
BAB is one of the main things that contributes to how good you are at hitting things (vs. missing them), and is the main way that your chance to hit increases with level. Barbarians, like fighters, rangers, and paladins, have the fastest progression of BAB with level. If you have the Power Attack feat (a very popular choice for those sorts, both because of its own benefits and because it’s a prerequisite for a number of other useful feats), you have the option of sacrificing some of your chance to hit for a corresponding increase in your damage if you do hit. But it doesn’t work for light weapons like daggers (and works especially well for two-handed weapons like Roy’s greatsword), so Belkar won’t be using it. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2016, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/3086 "2016-09-22T05:08:54Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > There’s no evidence that Belkar has Giants as a Favoured Enemy. I’ve just assumed he has Whatever Happens To Be Nearby as a Favored Enemy. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2016, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/3087 "2016-09-23T04:39:37Z")
Gotta wonder if this is where the Oracle’s prophecy manifests as Belkar’s final destination. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2016, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/3088 "2016-09-23T05:19:22Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Roy has learned a few things about Belkar AND himself since he was resurrected. Roy also needs all the help he can get at this point. Right now would be the least convenient time for him to die. Dude loves killing vampires. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2016, 6:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/3089 "2016-09-23T06:12:48Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Gotta wonder if this is where the Oracle’s prophecy manifests as Belkar’s final destination. ☹ People always say this whenever Belkar is in the slightest danger. But no. There is the other prophecy that says he will save Hinjo’s life twice, and he’s only done it once so far. He can’t die until that is fulfilled. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2016, 9:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/3090 "2016-09-23T09:47:42Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Gotta wonder if this is where the Oracle’s prophecy manifests as Belkar’s final destination. ☹ That prophecy is going to be subverted somehow. The easiest way would be for Belkar to don the Girdle of Masculinity / Femininity; I’m sure there are other ways. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2016, 10:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/3091 "2016-09-23T10:18:38Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > People always say this whenever Belkar is in the slightest danger. But no. There is the other prophecy that says he will save Hinjo’s life twice, and he’s only done it once so far. He can’t die until that is fulfilled. Not quite. He could die saving him. (If I can be nitpicky anywhere, I assume it’s here.) ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2016, 10:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/3092 "2016-09-23T10:39:09Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > People always say this whenever Belkar is in the slightest danger. But no. **There is the other prophecy that says he will save Hinjo’s life twice** , and he’s only done it once so far. He can’t die until that is fulfilled. Is that from one of the print books? I don’t remember seeing that one. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Shine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr_shine/32/464_2.png) [@Mr\_Shine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Shine)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2016, 10:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/3093 "2016-09-23T10:46:16Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Is that from one of the print books? I don’t remember seeing that one. Yes, it’s a bonus strip from “War and XPs”. I’ve never seen it myself but its existence provides good evidence of Belkar’s plot armour until it’s fulfilled. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2016, 10:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/3094 "2016-09-23T10:54:40Z")
It’s a bonus strip in War & XP’s, I think. A foretelling by Saangwaan, the blind seer. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2016, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/3095 "2016-09-23T13:15:33Z")
I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again: The twist in the Belkar prophecies is going to be that there’s no twist. He’s going to die, on schedule, go to whatever afterlife is appropriate, and never get raised, resurrected, reanimated, or in any other way brought back. I don’t know how Burlew could possibly have made this any clearer. But by now, so many people are expecting a twist of some sort that they’ll still be surprised anyway when he plays it straight. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2016, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/3096 "2016-09-23T13:20:48Z")
And you know what? I think most people will be delighted in the story, whichever way it turns out. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2016, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/3097 "2016-09-23T14:00:00Z")
And I won’t mind that outcome a bit… …so long as it is the final strips of the story. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2016, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/3098 "2016-09-23T14:01:26Z")
Agree with Chronos, but I’ll add that I expect it to be during a real fight when Belkar’s sacrifice/death matters. Either during the fight for the final Gate or perhaps in the course of stopping Durkon – and actually _stopping_ him, not getting tossed out a window one round in. But it won’t be against frost giants on the way to the real fight. So I expect his death to be absolute but also significant. Which means probably in the ending chapters of the story. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2016, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/3099 "2016-09-23T14:12:27Z")
nm ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2016, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/3100 "2016-09-23T15:18:31Z")
I would love a glimpse of Belkar’s afterlife. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755.md?page=154) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755.md?page=156)