# Order of the Stick - Book 6 Discussion Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 3, 2014, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755 "2014-03-03T16:07:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 187
**Author:** ![Gray\_Ghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c0e974/32.png) [@Gray\_Ghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gray_Ghost)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/3722 "2017-08-16T12:22:58Z")
> [@shantih](#): > > I think you’re onto something big here. V’s whole identity has been wrapped up in a quest for ultimate arcane power. V was chastened by the experience of the Soul Splice and started to realize the limitations of purely magical power, but to have V’s final magical act result in the sacrifice of V’s magical abilities forever would be a powerful, tragic, noble end to V’s character arc. Considering zapping an artifact generally gets the attention and eventual presence of the god that created it, V might be sacrificing more than just hir magical abilities… Though having the Snarl eat the Dark One, as Red Cloak achieves his goal of goblinoid equality, might be a way to bail V out. I’m thinking too that it would be hard as a mundane for V to atone for the whole Familicide thing. But it does open up some interesting possibilities for storytelling. “Furkini Menace,” LOL. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/3723 "2017-08-16T12:51:29Z")
It’d only be about a 1% chance for a Disjunction to result in V losing es spellcasting. It’d have to be ten thousand times more unlikely for em to really worry about it. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/3724 "2017-08-16T14:21:41Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > It’d only be about a 1% chance for a Disjunction to result in V losing es spellcasting. How genre-savvy is V? He could write the spell on a scroll and have Haley cast it (via Use Magical Device). ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/3725 "2017-08-16T15:20:32Z")
I doubt they’d go that route. If they were, they could also have had V and Durkula (when Durkula was pretending to want a raise) scribe a scroll of Resurrection and had Haley cast it. Though I’ll admit that the rules for multiple spellcasters collaborating to create an item are clear, but also little-known, so maybe none of them realized that they could do that. ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/3726 "2017-08-16T15:28:34Z")
> [@Gray\_Ghost](#): > > “Furkini Menace,” LOL. I wish I could take credit for that phrase, but someone on the other message board used it as a description and it immediately became her unofficial name. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/3727 "2017-08-16T16:09:25Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > I doubt they’d go that route. If they were, they could also have had V and Durkula (when Durkula was pretending to want a raise) scribe a scroll of Resurrection and had Haley cast it. Durkon is not known to have taken the Scribe Scroll feat. Wizards get it automatically; clerics do not. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/3728 "2017-08-16T16:37:39Z")
Which is where Vaarsuvius comes in. Vaarsuvius with the Scribe Scroll feat and Durkula with the Resurrection spell can collaborate to create a scroll of Resurrection. From the [SRD:](http://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicItems/magicItemBasics.htm) > [@](#): > > It is possible for more than one character to cooperate in the creation of an item, with each participant providing one or more of the prerequisites. In some cases, cooperation may even be necessary. > > If two or more characters cooperate to create an item, they must agree among themselves who will be considered the creator for the purpose of determinations where the creator’s level must be known. The character designated as the creator pays the XP required to make the item. > > Typically, a list of prerequisites includes one feat and one or more spells (or some other requirement in addition to the feat). The prerequisites for crafting a scroll of Resurrection are the Scribe Scroll feat and the Resurrection spell. If a cleric and a wizard cooperate on creating one, the wizard provides the feat prerequisite, and the cleric provides the spell prerequisite. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/3729 "2017-08-16T17:05:48Z")
Well, we know Durkon [can write spells](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0750.html) onto a scroll but he can’t make scrolls, I guess? ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/3730 "2017-08-16T17:16:56Z")
I’m not sure if that is a scroll, in the sense of a stored magic spell. Don’t they burn up on casting? I think he’s just making notes as he studies. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/3731 "2017-08-16T17:57:05Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > I’m not sure if that is a scroll, in the sense of a stored magic spell. I know, I was just kidding about how he can write a spell onto paper for him to learn how to cast it but he can’t write a spell onto a piece of paper for anyone else to read. He can write a spell onto a scroll but he can’t make a scroll. Game mechanics and all that stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/3732 "2017-08-16T18:11:58Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Which is where Vaarsuvius comes in. Vaarsuvius with the Scribe Scroll feat and Durkula with the Resurrection spell can collaborate to create a scroll of Resurrection. Unfortunately, the [Scribe Scroll](http://www.d20srd.org/srd/feats.htm#scribeScroll) feat is an exception to this > [@SRD](#): > > Scribe Scroll [Item Creation] > Prerequisite > Caster level 1st. > > Benefit > You can create a scroll of any spell **that you know.** ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/3733 "2017-08-16T18:16:58Z")
Well, if V is a 16th level Wizard, then e’ has Scribe Scroll plus an additional 12 feats. Durkon would have 9 feats as a 16th level Cleric. ---
**Author:** ![Finagle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b19c9b/32.png) [@Finagle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Finagle)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/3734 "2017-08-16T18:21:53Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > It’d only be about a 1% chance for a Disjunction to result in V losing es spellcasting. It’d have to be ten thousand times more unlikely for em to really worry about it. You mean like shooting a dragon right in its vulnerables? ---
**Author:** ![wolfman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a8b319/32.png) [@wolfman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfman)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2017, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/3735 "2017-08-16T19:57:22Z")
> [@Finagle](#): > > You mean like shooting a dragon right in its vulnerables? or > [@](#): > > And once again, Probability proves itself willing to sneak into a back alley and service Drama as would a copper-piece harlot. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2017, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/3736 "2017-08-17T21:46:15Z")
[1092: Entrance Seekers](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1092.html) ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2017, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/3737 "2017-08-17T22:15:05Z")
Kind of a bland one, really. And I’m not sure if the title is supposed to have a double meaning, because I’m not seeing one. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2017, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/3738 "2017-08-17T22:52:35Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Kind of a bland one, really. And I’m not sure if the title is supposed to have a double meaning, because I’m not seeing one. I’m guessing that this strip and the previous ones are preparatory exposition. I’m speculating that Burlew is planning some kind of surprise and he doesn’t want readers to complain _“You didn’t tell us that could happen!”_ So he’s laying out all the facts. Then he’ll surprise us with something we weren’t anticipating and he’ll say _“But I told you all that stuff ahead of time.”_ ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2017, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/3739 "2017-08-18T01:03:43Z")
That line about Belkar and “squat” – I recently reread the Preface to _Dungeon Crawlin’ Fools_ which was written by Belkar. In the first two paragraphs, he pontificates on “squat”. So everyone go and read that. If you don’t have the book, well here’s another reason to buy it. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2017, 7:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/3740 "2017-08-21T07:24:55Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > And I’m not sure if the title is supposed to have a double meaning, because I’m not seeing one. Best I can come up with is “entrance” as in “in a trance”, for the vampires they’re looking for, but that’s completely tenuous, I think. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2017, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/3741 "2017-08-22T14:58:46Z")
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