# Order of the Stick - Book 6 Discussion Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 3, 2014, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755 "2014-03-03T16:07:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 190
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2017, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/3782 "2017-09-05T19:30:22Z")
I’d guess that Sigdi would refuse the charity of a Regeneration spell and insist that there’s other dwarven soldiers who need or deserve it more. And she never earned enough on her pension to afford one on her own. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2017, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/3783 "2017-09-05T20:25:07Z")
Belkar’s reaction is interesting. He’s not shocked/horrified, but he senses that something is very wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2017, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/3784 "2017-09-05T20:25:23Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > Is Sigdi still alive? Do we know? Very likely. When Durkon wrote asking for permission to return so he could see his family again, he was told his grandfather had died. If his mother had also died, that would have also been in the letter. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2017, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/3785 "2017-09-05T20:56:22Z")
The reluctance to accept charity is probably part of it, but I don’t think that can be all. If it were, then her superiors in the army would order her to accept it, so they can get the star of their monster-hunting squad back up to full fighting trim. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2017, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/3786 "2017-09-05T21:07:03Z")
I guess there may be an implication that Durkon was already out of the dwarven lands when exiled, but if not, the other option would seem to be telling him to never leave. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2017, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/3787 "2017-09-05T22:00:12Z")
> [@Folacin](#): > > I guess there may be an implication that Durkon was already out of the dwarven lands when exiled, but if not, the other option would seem to be telling him to never leave. That was clearly established in the story. Durkon was definitely in the dwarven homeland when he was exiled. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2017, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/3788 "2017-09-05T22:36:24Z")
I was under the implication they didn’t know if it meant his homeland or just his house. But, still, that’s easy. Tell him while he’s in his house, and he won’t leave. Or let him leave and destroy his house, but make sure he stays in the homeland. I guess they could be worried he’d be forced out by circumstance, but, then, if they told him, he’d know not to return. Guess the story is just going to lampshade how stupid the guy was. Because characters can be stupid and irrational. ---
**Author:** ![Uniqueorn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uniqueorn/32/2807_2.png) [@Uniqueorn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uniqueorn)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2017, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/3789 "2017-09-09T17:17:58Z")
[1097 God Forsaken](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1097.html) ---
**Author:** ![ekedolphin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ekedolphin/32/10003_2.png) [@ekedolphin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekedolphin)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2017, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/3790 "2017-09-09T18:22:27Z")
If Durkon _had_ stayed home, he never would have met Roy, never helped co-found The Order of The Stick, and the world might still be in danger anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2017, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/3791 "2017-09-09T18:46:11Z")
This does raise an interesting point. Hurak didn’t receive his prophecy from Thor. It was relayed to him from another cleric who said he had received the prophecy from Odin. At this point, how do we know this is true? What if Hel was already working on her plan? Maybe she sent a fake cleric to deliver a fake prophecy. ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2017, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/3792 "2017-09-09T20:42:58Z")
> [@ekedolphin](#): > > If Durkon _had_ stayed home, he never would have met Roy, never helped co-found The Order of The Stick, and the world might still be in danger anyway. Pshaw. The laws of narrative causality would have ensured that Roy would have met Murkon Lightinghammer instead. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2017, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/3793 "2017-09-09T21:18:30Z")
I blame Rich. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2017, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/3794 "2017-09-10T00:24:50Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > This does raise an interesting point. Hurak didn’t receive his prophecy from Thor. It was relayed to him from another cleric who said he had received the prophecy from Odin. > > At this point, how do we know this is true? What if Hel was already working on her plan? Maybe she sent a fake cleric to deliver a fake prophecy. My first inclination is to say that she can’t because she never had a high-level cleric before. But then I note that she’s on relatively good terms with her own father, and Loki’s enough of an asshole to go along with a pointless practical joke, especially if he’s unaware of it being a part of a longer game. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2017, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/3795 "2017-09-10T02:45:22Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > My first inclination is to say that she can’t because she never had a high-level cleric before. You don’t have to be a high-level cleric to impersonate a high-level cleric. Not if you’re only delivering a message. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2017, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/3796 "2017-09-12T00:53:56Z")
Yeah, that was the same issue I had, before I realize he said “fake cleric.” Some weakling she turned to fake it. Though I’m unclear why she can’t turn someone and then have them take levels in cleric. Maybe they just get killed/vanquished before they have time? ---
**Author:** ![Malleus\_Incus\_Stapes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/malleus_incus_stapes/32/3293_2.png) [@Malleus\_Incus\_Stapes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malleus_Incus_Stapes)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2017, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/3797 "2017-09-12T01:02:47Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Though I’m unclear why she can’t turn someone and then have them take levels in cleric. Maybe they just get killed/vanquished before they have time? I think that’s what Rich has said. ETA: And if they’re already a high-level something else, the LA is going to make it a pain to get new levels to be cleric in. ---
**Author:** ![ekedolphin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ekedolphin/32/10003_2.png) [@ekedolphin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekedolphin)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2017, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/3798 "2017-09-12T16:34:44Z")
[1098: The Crucial Ingredient](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1098.html) ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2017, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/3799 "2017-09-12T16:51:42Z")
Hm. Character development for Durkon, in a strip he’s not even in. Except that it’s not really developing him; it’s pointing out that he’s been quietly developing in the background all along. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2017, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/3800 "2017-09-12T17:11:56Z")
Belkar’s line made me go back to the [relevant strip](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0877.html) which then had me read Durkon saying _“Och, Thor… I guess yer na listenin’ either but it’s OK. I know this’s part a’ yer plan, right?”_ Not Thor, but (unknown to Durkon), part of Odin’s plan. Also, of course, the prophecy that Durkon DID know about: that he’d be going home. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2017, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/3801 "2017-09-12T17:16:02Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Yeah, that was the same issue I had, before I realize he said “fake cleric.” Some weakling she turned to fake it. > > Though I’m unclear why she can’t turn someone and then have them take levels in cleric. Maybe they just get killed/vanquished before they have time? Hel says in another strip that every time she tried to grant cleric abilities to a low level undead, they get killed as a starter dungeon boss. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755.md?page=189) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755.md?page=191)