# Order of the Stick - Book 6 Discussion Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 3, 2014, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755 "2014-03-03T16:07:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 220
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2018, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/4382 "2018-07-14T14:16:39Z")
> [@dtilque](#): > > Elan was no doubt ordered to convince Roy to stop fighting the vampires, so you can assume everything he says is false. Hilarious, but don’t believe a word of it. Or Elan just considers trying to convince Roy to join them part of “taking him down”. After all, if Roy flips sides then Elan doesn’t have to poke him any more and it’s not as though Elan would win in an actual melee fight. Makes sense when you’re a dominated bard with the INT score of a raccoon. ---
**Author:** ![Gray\_Ghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c0e974/32.png) [@Gray\_Ghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gray_Ghost)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2018, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/4383 "2018-07-14T14:31:15Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > I wonder if anyone’s found the runic font the Giant used in that panel, and transcribed the names. A guy named Yendor at the GIDP forums did, and translated Sigi’s name from the runes, somewhere around the post discussing one of following three strips or so. Kinda neat, when all I thought they were going to say were things like “these runes don’t mean anything”, etc… **Nemo** , I thought another really important ‘throwaway’ detail was the map, way back in Blood Runs In The Family, that showed the Elven Lands on the same longitude as the Windy Valley. Which then showed that lunchtime in the Elven Lands (when Darth V cast familicide) could be the same time as lunchtime in Girard’s Pyramid. The detail he packs in a little stick figure strip can be impressive. The Elan quips are hilarious. I don’t care if a Bard should actually have pretty decent Will saves (even with his abysmal Wisdom), if ignoring them gives me lines like those. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2018, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/4384 "2018-07-14T14:38:42Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > Or Elan just considers trying to convince Roy to join them part of “taking him down”. After all, if Roy flips sides then Elan doesn’t have to poke him any more and it’s not as though Elan would win in an actual melee fight. Makes sense when you’re a dominated bard with the INT score of a raccoon. It’s not like Elan is trying to convert Roy instead of trying to stab him. He’s doing both. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2018, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/4385 "2018-07-14T14:57:44Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > It’s not like Elan is trying to convert Roy instead of trying to stab him. He’s doing both. Yeah, part of taking him down. As I noted a strip or two ago, Elan’s not even using his skills to their best since he’s attacking with his mediocre Strength modifier instead of using his Dashing Swordsman Charisma modifier. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2018, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/4386 "2018-07-14T15:25:47Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > I wonder if anyone’s found the runic font the Giant used in that panel, and transcribed the names. [Courtesy of the OOTS Forum](http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?558501-OOTS-1121-The-Discussion-Thread/page2&p=23066282#post23066282) > [@Yendor](#): > > Now’s probably a good time to point out that one of those names is in fact: > > [spoiler]Sigdi Thundershield. > > The one above it is Shirra Copperbottom, which may be Sigdi’s friend.[/spoiler] > > [Here’s the font.](http://www.blambot.com/font_dwarfspirits.shtml) ---
**Author:** ![Malleus\_Incus\_Stapes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/malleus_incus_stapes/32/3293_2.png) [@Malleus\_Incus\_Stapes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malleus_Incus_Stapes)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2018, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/4387 "2018-07-15T03:20:34Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > We’ve already seen how Hilgya reacts to allies trying to take away her baby. She _really_ doesn’t like it. And domination doesn’t make you like the caster; that’s charm. Domination makes how you feel about the caster irrelevant (except when you get to situations like forcing new saves). You only get to make a save if you’re _told_ to do something against your nature, not just because something unpleasant has been done to you. Durkula only told her to “come here”, not “give me the baby”; he probably took Kudzu from her arms himself. If he’d specifically said “stay still while I take Kudzu”, that would have been a command, and Hilgya could have gotten a new saving throw. But she’s standing still because that’s the default when you’re Dominated. No such luck. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2018, 9:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/4388 "2018-07-16T09:17:09Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > So this is a reach, but: > a) Durkon’s choosing this memory to show; > b) True resurrection works on those turned into undead and then destroyed; and > c) Durkon’s the subject of prophecies, and maybe his mom interpreted the prophecies correctly and made preparations. I like where you’re going with this, and that would be a massive plot twist. But it would require an incredibly specific prophecy to pull off, as well as a lot of clever storytelling on the Giant’s part. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2018, 10:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/4389 "2018-07-16T10:43:11Z")
Hmm. Not so much. If his mom knew the only way he’d come back is posthumously she could certainly prep for him to be rezzed. Sort of ‘having one in the bank’. Not that Rich hasn’t been pretty good at clever writing during the run of the comic, though. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2018, 11:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/4390 "2018-07-16T11:39:22Z")
> [@Jonathan\_Chance](#): > > Hmm. Not so much. If his mom knew the only way he’d come back is posthumously she could certainly prep for him to be rezzed. But **that** prophecy came much later; his mother would have paid the money long before Durkon even became a cleric (and potentially before he was born). This would have had to be a different prophecy. Still - we’ve had one from Odin that was a major plot point; perhaps Thor had a good day at one point and actually planned for the future (although that then raises the question about why the gods wouldn’t have known about Hel’s plan). A more likely way for this particular scenario to happen would be for a pregnant Sigi to go to the Oracle and ask what the best thing she could do to help her son would be. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2018, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/4391 "2018-07-16T16:17:14Z")
**[1127 Windfall](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1127.html)** ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2018, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/4392 "2018-07-16T16:50:18Z")
Ouch! I know he’s at the bottom of the hp barrel but Roy sure can take the hits, huh? ---
**Author:** ![Gray\_Ghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c0e974/32.png) [@Gray\_Ghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gray_Ghost)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2018, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/4393 "2018-07-16T16:58:12Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > Ouch! > > I know he’s at the bottom of the hp barrel but Roy sure can take the hits, huh? No doubt. _Now_ he’s starting to look like he did in the Thog fight. Wonder who clued Haley and Elan in to start fighting effectively? As noted on the comic’s forums, when you go back to the crayon flashback of the fire troll fight, you can see the blond bearded Dwarf running towards a chest. Just like the chest he later gives Sigdi in this strip. I wonder if there’s any narrative reason for drawing some flashbacks as crayon-style, and others as a regular strip with a fuzzy border? ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2018, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/4394 "2018-07-16T17:48:18Z")
> [@Gray\_Ghost](#): > > I wonder if there’s any narrative reason for drawing some flashbacks as crayon-style, and others as a regular strip with a fuzzy border? The crayons are used when someone is relating the past events. Durkon’s memory doesn’t count as that. Have crayons been used anywhere except the Crayons of Time, the backstory recounted by Red Cloak in SoD, and strip #991 (death of Tenrin)? ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2018, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/4395 "2018-07-16T17:51:36Z")
The crayon strips are when someone is recounting a story, usually one they have heard from someone else. There may be an unreliable narrator, he may exaggerate bits, miss out details, there may be things the narrator has misunderstood or doesn’t know about. Anything in the normal style is canonically true. A good example being the story [Thirden told to Durkon.](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0991.html) He’s telling what he has heard about the story. He wasn’t personally involved so it’s hearsay. And, as it turns out, there’s more to the story than he knows. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2018, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/4396 "2018-07-16T18:00:48Z")
> [@dtilque](#): > > Have crayons been used anywhere except the Crayons of Time, the backstory recounted by Red Cloak in SoD, and strip #991 (death of Tenrin)? [Yes.](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0704.html) [and yes](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0644.html) ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2018, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/4397 "2018-07-16T21:53:15Z")
They were also used in _Start of Darkness_, to tell much the same story as the Crayons of Time, but from a different point of view. ---
**Author:** ![shantih](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f6c823/32.png) [@shantih](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shantih)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2018, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/4398 "2018-07-17T18:41:12Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > Yeah, part of taking him down. > > As I noted a strip or two ago, Elan’s not even using his skills to their best since he’s attacking with his mediocre Strength modifier instead of using his Dashing Swordsman Charisma modifier. Look at you, predicting the immediate future! What do you think, will I need an umbrella tomorrow? ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2018, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/4399 "2018-07-17T19:10:32Z")
Haley? With a dagger? Haley doen’t do melee! ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2018, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/4400 "2018-07-17T19:30:58Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > [Yes.](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0704.html) > [and yes](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0644.html) Thank you. Note that the first one was not a 2nd hand telling. Jirix was relating his own experience. He may have left stuff out, even besides what he told Red Cloak afterwards. > [@Chronos](#): > > They were also used in _Start of Darkness_, to tell much the same story as the Crayons of Time, but from a different point of view. Yes, that’s what I meant by “the backstory recounted by Red Cloak in SoD”. ---
**Author:** ![Finagle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b19c9b/32.png) [@Finagle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Finagle)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2018, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/4401 "2018-07-17T19:55:40Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Haley? With a dagger? Haley doen’t do melee! She does when her bowstrings have been cut. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755.md?page=219) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755.md?page=221)