# Order of the Stick - Book 6 Discussion Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 3, 2014, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755 "2014-03-03T16:07:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 232
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2018, 8:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/4622 "2018-08-01T08:35:08Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > It’s called an [ancestral tomb](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0333.html). Well found! > [@](#): > > And I never thought of that. Would it work, anyone? It will work if the story calls for it to work. This will give the party a dilemma: do they go after Gontula or Greg? ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Shine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr_shine/32/464_2.png) [@Mr\_Shine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Shine)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2018, 8:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/4623 "2018-08-01T08:53:36Z")
> **[View Single Post: Do OOTS vampires die permanently to beheading alone, or...](https://forums.giantitp.com/showsinglepost.php?p=23263837&postcount=16)** > > The Giant in the Playground message boards, where fans of the Order of the Stick webcomic congregate to discuss gaming and such. > [@Rich Burlew](#): > > Malack does have a coffin, it’s just not within range. So he follows the normal vampire rules, while the vampires created by the quick-rise spell (i.e. all the others seen so far) are dead as soon as they hit 0 hp (like most undead). Looks like Greg’s dead. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2018, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/4624 "2018-08-01T14:18:54Z")
> [@dtilque](#): > > Durkon died in the strip you cited and it was an honorable death, since it was in battle. The fact that his soul was trapped for a while makes no difference. The “death” of the vampire, whether honorable or not, has no effect on his afterlife. Since he’s now been released, he goes to Valhalla and raises a mug with Thor and the other heroes there. I have never seen this come in any D&D game and I truly doubt it would be a factor here, but in the original Nordic religion, when the Valkyrie choose someone as worthy, he would go to Valhalla only half of the time. The other half would be sent to Freya and her after-life field, Fólkvangr. What happens then is really, _really_ [vague](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F%C3%B3lkvangr) which is probably why you don’t hear about it much any more. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2018, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/4625 "2018-08-01T14:50:10Z")
I was thinking - it had to be Belkar, didn’t it? Any of the others would have noticed him dropping the shield and exposing his chest, and hesitated. But not Belkar. He didn’t notice, and even if he had, he wouldn’t have cared. ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2018, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/4626 "2018-08-01T15:07:42Z")
Belkar is also the only one with a real stake in the battle. As for Hilgya resurrecting him, perhaps she might want to do that just to kill him herself. Revenge isn’t as satisfying if someone else does the job. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2018, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/4627 "2018-08-01T15:21:38Z")
[QUOTE] > [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > So what happened here? Stabbed through the heart, And Belkar’s to blame, halfling you give rangers a bad name… (I’m not sorry) ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2018, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/4628 "2018-08-01T15:47:17Z")
> [@dtilque](#): > > Belkar is also the only one with a real stake in the battle. No, I think all of them were fully committed to the outcome of the fight oh wait you meant it literally… ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2018, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/4629 "2018-08-01T17:02:45Z")
> [@dtilque](#): > > Belkar is also the only one with a real stake in the battle. I see what you did there. In fact, we ALL saw what you did there. Do you have anything to say for yourself, young man ? ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Blistering\_Barnacle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blue_blistering_barnacle/32/3386_2.png) [@Blue\_Blistering\_Barnacle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blue_Blistering_Barnacle)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2018, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/4630 "2018-08-01T19:32:20Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > I have never seen this come in any D&D game and I truly doubt it would be a factor here, but in the original Nordic religion, when the Valkyrie choose someone as worthy, he would go to Valhalla only half of the time. The other half would be sent to Freya and her after-life field, Fólkvangr. What happens then is really, _really_ [vague](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F%C3%B3lkvangr) > > which is probably why you don’t hear about it much any more. I’m no expert, but I was given to understand that they mostly went to Valhalla and fought “mock” battles every day to stay sharp for Ragnarok, with lots of eating and drinking afterward. A few might prefer to dally with Frigg’s ladies in waiting. Maybe this was on an occasional basis. Probably to minimize PTSD. I find it odd to think that Odin should have to double recruitment goals for Ragnarok just to have half of them hang out with his wife… ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2018, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/4631 "2018-08-01T20:24:37Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > I see what you did there. In fact, we ALL saw what you did there. Do you have anything to say for yourself, young man ? Only that it’s been a long time since anyone’s called me “young man”. Otherwise, I regret nothing. ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2018, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/4632 "2018-08-01T22:27:30Z")
> [@dtilque](#): > > Only that it’s been a long time since anyone’s called me “young man”. Otherwise, I regret nothing. Correction. I regret not being able to work “steak” in there without possibly someone accusing me of being a homophone. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2018, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/4633 "2018-08-02T13:06:00Z")
> [@Blue\_Blistering\_Barnacle](#): > > I’m no expert, but I was given to understand that they mostly went to Valhalla and fought “mock” battles every day to stay sharp for Ragnarok, with lots of eating and drinking afterward. > > A few might prefer to dally with Frigg’s ladies in waiting. Maybe this was on an occasional basis. Probably to minimize PTSD. Nope, it was 50-50. Whether it was at random or there is some selection criteria is unstated. And the boys in Valhalla got to play with the Valkyries when their day is done. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Torque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Max\_Torque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_Torque)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2018, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/4634 "2018-08-02T13:42:50Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > Nope, it was 50-50. Whether it was at random or there is some selection criteria is unstated. > > And the boys in Valhalla got to play with the Valkyries when their day is done. There’s a “Valhalla-Back Girls” joke in there somewhere, but I can’t quite get it… ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2018, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/4635 "2018-08-02T15:14:12Z")
As far as I know the only reference is in the Grímnismál (Sayings of Grimnir) where Odin disguised as Grimnir lays out the arrangement of the norse worlds and the halls of divers gods. > [@](#): > > 1. The ninth is Folkvang, | where Freyja decrees > Who shall have seats in the hall; > The half of the dead | each day does she choose, > And half does Othin have. taken from [voluspa.org](http://www.voluspa.org/grimnismal11-15.htm) That it was written down at all suggests some amount of widespread belief but it’s entirely possible that there were any number of beliefs about what happened to people after they died. I don’t know how specific D&D is about afterlifes but I am doubtful they or Burlew care too much about hewing to this level of detail. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2018, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/4636 "2018-08-02T20:22:45Z")
The details vary from one setting to another in D&D. In the Forgotten Realms, for instance, you go to the realm of the deity you worship, regardless of alignment, and if you don’t worship any deity at all, you get stuck spending eternity as a brick in the Wall of the Faithless. Of course, Stickworld is its own setting, so the Giant gets to decide his own rules. We don’t know all of the details, but it appears that people who don’t worship any particular god (like Roy) go to the plane corresponding to their alignment, and people who worship a god and are the same alignment as their god go to their god’s realm (which is part of the corresponding alignment plane). It’s not yet known what happens to someone who worships a god of a different alignment: Would Thor-worshipping, Chaotic Good Haley go to the same place as Thor-worshipping, Lawful Good Durkon, or the same place as Banjo-worshipping, Chaotic Good Elan? ---
**Author:** ![chorpler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chorpler/32/2888_2.png) [@chorpler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chorpler)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2018, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/4637 "2018-08-03T16:21:17Z")
[1132](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1132.html) ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2018, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/4638 "2018-08-03T16:23:52Z")
“Eh, tha cat’s prob’ly fine.” 😃 ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2018, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/4639 "2018-08-03T17:02:57Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > “Eh, tha cat’s prob’ly fine.” > > 😃 Notice he didn’t say anything about the bird… ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2018, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/4640 "2018-08-03T17:17:22Z")
Maybe the raven too? Nah, that’s asking too much. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2018, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/4641 "2018-08-03T17:56:50Z")
**I CARRY MY FISTS IN MY HEART.** I’m pretty sure nobody in my D&D group reads OotS, so I am immediately stealing this. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755.md?page=231) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755.md?page=233)