# Order of the Stick - Book 6 Discussion Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 3, 2014, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755 "2014-03-03T16:07:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 234
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2018, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/4662 "2018-08-04T22:27:45Z")
I think you need the whole pile of dust, so even just a quick sweep of her hand would probably be enough to inconveniently scatter it. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2018, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/4663 "2018-08-05T23:51:56Z")
August’s Revenge of the Flumphs theme is enjoyable. [Oots 2018 calendar](https://www.ookoodook.com/products/order-of-the-stick-2018-calendar). ---
**Author:** ![Malleus\_Incus\_Stapes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/malleus_incus_stapes/32/3293_2.png) [@Malleus\_Incus\_Stapes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malleus_Incus_Stapes)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2018, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/4664 "2018-08-06T00:43:03Z")
I just got my copy of _Good Deeds Gone Unpunished_ in the mail today. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2018, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/4665 "2018-08-06T01:36:10Z")
> [@Gray\_Ghost](#): > > Not that I think Durkon would do this, but could a Dwarf’s refusal to let herself be resurrected be a sufficiently dishonorable act to get them kicked out of Valhalla? Or does the inquiry into the worthiness of the soul cease after the question of, “Did they die with honor?”, has been answered? Typically you only get judged the once, when you die. Once inside your god’s realm and outside of the material realm, you’re not under scrutiny any more. You might think “but then you can just be an asshole after you die !” and yes, you can. But a) if you’re in the Good Place already, chances are you’re not the type of person who enjoys being an asshole in the first place (although obviously the dwarfs laws and by-rules re:their entry into Valhalla are more open to this - but at least most dead battledorfs will be Lawful since they submitted to those stupid dorf rules) and b) unlike the material realm, a god’s plane is entirely under their power. They can reflexively undo anything you might possibly do and erase you from existence at a whim. So maybe don’t piss them off. Especially when they’re drunken fools with poor impulse control to begin with. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2018, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/4666 "2018-08-06T01:42:00Z")
> [@](#): > > I just got my copy of Good Deeds Gone Unpunished in the mail today. What? But that wasn’t going to be released until Aug-- oh. Looking forward to finally getting my birthday present. ---
**Author:** ![Malleus\_Incus\_Stapes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/malleus_incus_stapes/32/3293_2.png) [@Malleus\_Incus\_Stapes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malleus_Incus_Stapes)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2018, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/4667 "2018-08-06T12:14:18Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > What? But that wasn’t going to be released until Aug-- oh. > > Looking forward to finally getting my birthday present. Best out-of-context quote: “I can’t hear you over the sound of my nipples screaming.” ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Blistering\_Barnacle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blue_blistering_barnacle/32/3386_2.png) [@Blue\_Blistering\_Barnacle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blue_Blistering_Barnacle)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2018, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/4668 "2018-08-06T15:13:28Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > I don’t think he’s referencing e.e. cummings, but it may be the dwarven equivalent of > > [i carry your heart with me(i carry it in my heart)](https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poetrymagazine/poems/49493/i-carry-your-heart-with-mei-carry-it-in), one of my favorite sonnets. > [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > **I CARRY MY FISTS IN MY HEART.** > > I’m pretty sure nobody in my D&D group reads OotS, so I am immediately stealing this. > [@Malleus\_Incus\_Stapes](#): > > I hope “I carry my fists in my heart” becomes a new T-shirt quote. > [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > I went to Stephen King: > > “I do not kill with my gun; he who kills with his gun has forgotten the face of his father. > I kill with my heart.” I’m going with Captain Hammer- “But home is where the heart is So your real home’s in your chest” ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2018, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/4669 "2018-08-06T16:04:03Z")
> [@Blue\_Blistering\_Barnacle](#): > > I’m going with Captain Hammer- > > “But home is where the heart is > So your real home’s in your chest” But that’s not where his hammer is. And the hammer is not his fists. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2018, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/4670 "2018-08-06T21:25:34Z")
[sub](it’s his penis)[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2018, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/4671 "2018-08-07T04:25:47Z")
> [@Gray\_Ghost](#): > > Not that I think Durkon would do this, but could a Dwarf’s refusal to let herself be resurrected be a sufficiently dishonorable act to get them kicked out of Valhalla? Or does the inquiry into the worthiness of the soul cease after the question of, “Did they die with honor?”, has been answered? I have the sense that Thor [isn’t a stickler](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0737.html) on the issue in Stickworld. He interprets “Die with honor” as loosely as he can, to Hel’s frustration. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2018, 5:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/4672 "2018-08-07T05:48:38Z")
I’m thinking of the obvious parallels between Durkon and Kraagor. Both are dwarves who died as part of the mission to fight the Snarl. I don’t think it’s just a coincidence that the final battle between the surviving members of the Order and Xykon and Redcloak will apparently take place at Kraagor’s Gate. I’m speculating that Durkon will disappear from the strip now that he’s dead and the story will continue without him. And a year or two from now, when we’ve gotten used to the new dynamic of the five member group, Durkon will re-appear at a dramatic moment when the story is climaxing at Kraagor’s Gate. ---
**Author:** ![Gray\_Ghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c0e974/32.png) [@Gray\_Ghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gray_Ghost)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2018, 6:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/4673 "2018-08-07T06:14:43Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I’m thinking of the obvious parallels between Durkon and Kraagor. Both are dwarves who died as part of the mission to fight the Snarl. > > I don’t think it’s just a coincidence that the final battle between the surviving members of the Order and Xykon and Redcloak will apparently take place at Kraagor’s Gate. I’m speculating that Durkon will disappear from the strip now that he’s dead and the story will continue without him. And a year or two from now, when we’ve gotten used to the new dynamic of the five member group, Durkon will re-appear at a dramatic moment when the story is climaxing at Kraagor’s Gate. I’ve been wondering when and where we’d catch a hint of Kraagor during this part of the book. As I said before, you’d think a low-Epic Dwarf barbarian would have left some trace of his presence in the Dwarven Lands. The problem with your theory about the five-man band—which I otherwise like—is that I’m pretty sure Belkar’s prophecy kicks in at or before the New Year. Which if Stickworld runs on the same calendar-ish as ours, and the 'Moot was held on the Solstice, means that Belkar’s got maybe a week in-strip time, at the outside. True, it’ll probably take Burlew a year or two for us to advance the story one week, but he’s been a lot better about that sort of thing lately. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2018, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/4674 "2018-08-07T13:58:52Z")
Northerners in Stickworld use more or less the same calendar that we do. Southern New Year is a little bit later. I don’t think we’re told what Westerners do, and the Oracle worships a Western God. That said, the Oracle doesn’t seem to be real big on gotchas or technicalities, so I think we can assume that “the end of the year” means what the clients and audience would guess that it means. ---
**Author:** ![chorpler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chorpler/32/2888_2.png) [@chorpler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chorpler)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2018, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/4675 "2018-08-07T14:18:40Z")
[1133](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1133.html) ---
**Author:** ![chorpler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chorpler/32/2888_2.png) [@chorpler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chorpler)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2018, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/4676 "2018-08-07T14:21:03Z")
“Everyone knows a million to one shot is a sure thing!” And apparently in Stickworld you only need “a bit” of vampire ash for a resurrection? ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2018, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/4677 "2018-08-07T14:29:48Z")
So where is everyone? Here’s a theory: all the gods are dead. Snarl got to them while we were busy with the last few strips. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2018, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/4678 "2018-08-07T14:37:56Z")
Oh, and Durkon should have listened to Elan, too. According to the rules of drama, the very fact that he just said that his team is going to raise him, means that they are definitely NOT going to raise him. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2018, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/4679 "2018-08-07T14:43:06Z")
> [@chorpler](#): > > And apparently in Stickworld you only need “a bit” of vampire ash for a resurrection? Makes sense to me. If you can resurrect off a toenail or drop of blood, you should be able to resurrect off a bit of ash. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2018, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/4680 "2018-08-07T14:53:35Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > Makes sense to me. If you can resurrect off a toenail or drop of blood, you should be able to resurrect off a bit of ash. After all, it was always Durkon’s body. The fact that it had died and been possessed didn’t change that. But again, they’re not going to raise him. He’ll have some crucial work to do in the Outer Planes and will refuse resurrection. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2018, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/4681 "2018-08-07T15:11:32Z")
Yeah, the detail of whether Durkon is going to be resurrected or not is, I think, a fairly small matter compared to the ominous emptiness of Celestia. They don’t even have conveniently-named lantern archons. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755.md?page=233) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755.md?page=235)