# Order of the Stick - Book 6 Discussion Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 3, 2014, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755 "2014-03-03T16:07:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 235
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2018, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/4682 "2018-08-07T15:15:15Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > But again, they’re not going to raise him. He’ll have some crucial work to do in the Outer Planes and will refuse resurrection. I disagree. Durkon staying dead would offer two things: A noble party sacrifice and a loss of party power. However, Belkar will likely already be filling the “party sacrifice” role and the Order just isn’t going to defeat Team Evil without a high level cleric. Sure, Hilgya could fill in, but then Dukon’s death is largely meaningless since it no longer fills either the sacrifice role or the loss of power role. He was just replaced by [Murkon Lightninghammer](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0917.html). I don’t see that being how his legacy shakes out. That’s not to say he won’t be doing stuff from now until 2021 when the strip gets around to resurrecting him. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2018, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/4683 "2018-08-07T15:45:17Z")
Do you mean year 2021, or strip number 2021? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2018, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/4684 "2018-08-07T15:50:02Z")
Perhaps the gods and assorted other entities are all off in the tower waiting for the outcome of the vote. While Roy and company try to persuade the terrestrial forces not to end the world, Durkon and Minrah may have to tackle the celestial ones. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2018, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/4685 "2018-08-07T17:25:24Z")
I rather think Durkon is needed to prompt Thor to pay attention to what is happening in the world. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2018, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/4686 "2018-08-08T00:02:56Z")
I’m gonna guess that the tower is in fact [this one](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0833.html). ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2018, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/4687 "2018-08-08T02:16:48Z")
I liked [panel 7](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1133.html). Durkon is showing a deeper sense of human(oid) nature, as well as some fine counseling skills. For some reason I find this more appealing storywise than garden variety heroism or self-sacrifice. Not that I have anything against the latter. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2018, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/4688 "2018-08-08T02:54:28Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > I liked [panel 7](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1133.html). > > Durkon is showing a deeper sense of human(oid) nature, as well as some fine counseling skills. For some reason I find this more appealing storywise than garden variety heroism or self-sacrifice. Not that I have anything against the latter. Panel 7, or panel 6, or am I miscounting? Panel 7 looks dialogueless to me, while Panel 6 has some serious hardcore Durkon wisdom in it. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2018, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/4689 "2018-08-08T03:09:01Z")
Durkon is showing his key stat: Wisdom. He’s giving her the truth she needs. She wasn’t up to the challenge, she knew it, and yet she threw herself at it anyway. Can’t get much more noble than that. I wonder if Durkon will meet up with the gods and use that wisdom to convince them to hold off and block Hel’s schemes. ---
**Author:** ![ekedolphin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ekedolphin/32/10003_2.png) [@ekedolphin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekedolphin)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2018, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/4690 "2018-08-08T03:26:04Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Panel 7, or panel 6, or am I miscounting? Panel 7 looks dialogueless to me, while Panel 6 has some serious hardcore Durkon wisdom in it. He gets a soft smile out of Minrah in panel 7. That’s not nothing. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2018, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/4691 "2018-08-08T04:57:14Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Panel 7, or panel 6, or am I miscounting? Panel 7 looks dialogueless to me, while Panel 6 has some serious hardcore Durkon wisdom in it. Panel 7, for the effects of Panel 6. I’m a comics freak, and I like the emotional complexity conveyed with minimal brush strokes. ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Blistering\_Barnacle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blue_blistering_barnacle/32/3386_2.png) [@Blue\_Blistering\_Barnacle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blue_Blistering_Barnacle)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2018, 11:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/4692 "2018-08-08T11:38:13Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > Panel 7, for the effects of Panel 6. > > I’m a comics freak, and I like the emotional complexity conveyed with minimal brush strokes. Me, too. I’m also liking the Minrah reprise. She’s a dead minor character, but I think people liked her a lot. So maybe not so minor now. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2018, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/4693 "2018-08-08T13:07:02Z")
Well, we’ll see. Her role could be ‘character who gives Durkon a chance to share his thoughts’ and not really a development. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2018, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/4694 "2018-08-08T13:11:45Z")
The only god Durkon has an in with is Thor, and he’s already on the save-the-world and oppose-Hel sides. Plus, there’s the “no backsies” rule. I suppose he could alert the pantheon to the whole Xykon-Snarl situation, including the new information from looking through Soon’s and Girard’s rifts, but narratively, they’re going to have their hands tied on that. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2018, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/4695 "2018-08-08T13:38:54Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > I’m gonna guess that the tower is in fact [this one](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0833.html). Xykon’s fortress seems to be a free-floating construct in the Astral Plane. Since the Astral Plane touches the other planes, I suppose the Afterlife Waiting Room _could_ be in the Astral Plane but I didn’t really get that impression from the Roy strips. Plus I doubt Xykon would put his Super Fortress right where a bunch of devas and angels and stuff are going to be staring at it constantly. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2018, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/4696 "2018-08-08T13:49:58Z")
And the Celestia Antecloud seems to have some notion of gravity. That fortress architecture doesn’t really make sense in a gravitational plane. ---
**Author:** ![ekedolphin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ekedolphin/32/10003_2.png) [@ekedolphin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekedolphin)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2018, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/4697 "2018-08-09T18:38:06Z")
Where _is_ everyone right now? No devas, no archons, no nothing. Just Durkon, Minrah, and a tower in the distance. Eugene said that no one else was up there, when he last visited Roy. (“I’m bored and I wanna talk to somebody.”) ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2018, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/4698 "2018-08-09T19:13:57Z")
Maybe everyone’s bugged out in fear of the snarl? ---
**Author:** ![chorpler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chorpler/32/2888_2.png) [@chorpler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chorpler)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 12:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/4699 "2018-08-10T12:35:24Z")
[1134](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1134.html) ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 12:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/4700 "2018-08-10T12:38:54Z")
Well! That was unexpected. As a metaphysical question, I wonder if a deity could impose a _Resurrection_ on someone within their domain. As in, Thor grants the power to his clerics on the Prime Material Plane, but what if he wanted to just zap someone back to life without a cleric asking for the favor? In modern faith, that would just be a miracle that someone came back to life but I guess most RPG worlds would require an appropriate cleric as a conduit for the god to affect the Prime Material Plane. I’m not implying that would happen here, just musing. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/4701 "2018-08-10T13:02:52Z")
I think that the gods are allowed to act directly in their own domains and relating to their own worshipers. They’re in Northern lands and Durkon is a worshiper of Thor, so it’s fair game. They only strictly need their clerics as intermediaries for matters in other lands, or affecting other worshipers. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755.md?page=234) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755.md?page=236)