# Order of the Stick - Book 6 Discussion Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 3, 2014, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755 "2014-03-03T16:07:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 245
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2018, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/4882 "2018-08-21T21:27:07Z")
> [@Malleus\_Incus\_Stapes](#): > > So Thor doesn’t really believe that fighting a tree is brave enough to get you into Valhalla, he’s just saying that to keep the dwarves out of Hel?. Maybe not. It’s certainly true that tree roots can endanger Dwarf homes, maybe causing a cave-in. Tree felling can be dangerous. If a dwarf dies doing it, why shouldn’t it be considered an honourable death? ---
**Author:** ![Gray\_Ghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c0e974/32.png) [@Gray\_Ghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gray_Ghost)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2018, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/4883 "2018-08-21T23:46:18Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Of course, Wreccan himself is a real-world call-out. > > **Gray Ghost** , what’s a bauriar? > > Back to the current strip, Thor’s not dealing straight with Durkon. It was nearly a full strip between when Durkon said that he was planning on going back, and when Thor revealed himself. That’s not what Thor was waiting for. When he actually interrupted was right when Durkon mentioned the Snarl. > > Obviously Thor’s mission for Durkon involves the Snarl, but I’m guessing that he’s not allowed to tell him that. Or, well, pretty much anything else. That was my question when I read that panel. Had to look it up, and it’s like Inner Stickler wrote. Never heard of it before today. I think you’re right on Thor lying to Durkon, Chronos. I wonder if Thor were to tell him about the Snarl, then a memory-charm effect like in the Oracle’s Sunken Valley would apply, and Durkon wouldn’t remember anything when he went back to the Prime? ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/4884 "2018-08-22T00:24:39Z")
> [@Malleus\_Incus\_Stapes](#): > > So Thor doesn’t really believe that fighting a tree is brave enough to get you into Valhalla, he’s just saying that to keep the dwarves out of Hel? I’d assume the gods are happy to engage in any amount of legalism and technicalities to lay claim on the souls. To be slightly more charitable, if the _dwarf_ believed she was engaged in noble combat, is the death noble? Seems to be [Thor’s argument](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0874.html). ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/4885 "2018-08-22T00:45:12Z")
Bariaur originated in Planescape, I believe. It was fun to see them referenced. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/4886 "2018-08-22T01:05:58Z")
> [@Malleus\_Incus\_Stapes](#): > > Something called a [carbuncle](https://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Carbuncle_(3.5e_Creature)) (thank you, GitP). Apparently some sourcebooks give it a teleporting ability. Poking around the interwebs, I see that the powers ascribed to the carbuncle vary a lot. Kudos to Rich for depicting the creature in a non-annoying fashion. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 10:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/4887 "2018-08-22T10:55:26Z")
> [@Gray\_Ghost](#): > > I think you’re right on Thor lying to Durkon, Chronos. I wonder if Thor were to tell him about the Snarl, then a memory-charm effect like in the Oracle’s Sunken Valley would apply, and Durkon wouldn’t remember anything when he went back to the Prime? I thought that Roy didn’t remember much of what he learned from his time being dead? So there may be an automatic memory charm there? ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/4888 "2018-08-22T13:52:50Z")
> [@Gray\_Ghost](#): > > That was my question when I read that panel. Had to look it up, and it’s like Inner Stickler wrote. Never heard of it before today. > > I think you’re right on Thor lying to Durkon, Chronos. I wonder if Thor were to tell him about the Snarl, then a memory-charm effect like in the Oracle’s Sunken Valley would apply, and Durkon wouldn’t remember anything when he went back to the Prime? I don’t think Thor is lying, per se. Maybe he just didn’t want to talk about the Snarl in front of Minrah. Now that she’s gone we can get a bid ole’ exposition dump. ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Blistering\_Barnacle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blue_blistering_barnacle/32/3386_2.png) [@Blue\_Blistering\_Barnacle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blue_Blistering_Barnacle)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/4889 "2018-08-22T14:08:15Z")
I’m feeling slow today. Given that Bariaur is a “real” Valhalla creature, is it merely a creature in this use? Or is it a pun on barista, as I originally thought? ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/4890 "2018-08-22T14:32:16Z")
> [@Blue\_Blistering\_Barnacle](#): > > I’m feeling slow today. Given that Bariaur is a “real” Valhalla creature, is it merely a creature in this use? Or is it a pun on barista, as I originally thought? I think it’s just there to remind us that they’re not in the same afterlife Roy went to. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/4891 "2018-08-22T15:00:02Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Now that she’s gone we can get a bid ole’ exposition dump. I’m hoping she sticks around; I like her as a character. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/4892 "2018-08-22T15:06:42Z")
> [@Blue\_Blistering\_Barnacle](#): > > I’m feeling slow today. Given that Bariaur is a “real” Valhalla creature, is it merely a creature in this use? Or is it a pun on barista, as I originally thought? I don’t think it’s intended as a pun. ---
**Author:** ![Malleus\_Incus\_Stapes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/malleus_incus_stapes/32/3293_2.png) [@Malleus\_Incus\_Stapes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malleus_Incus_Stapes)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/4893 "2018-08-22T15:23:44Z")
> [@Folacin](#): > > I thought that Roy didn’t remember much of what he learned from his time being dead? So there may be an automatic memory charm there? He didn’t remember much from his time on Mount Celestia. The stuff while he was out on the clouds he remembered just fine. Durkon still seems to be on the Valhalla version of the clouds; I’d guess the memory blur doesn’t start until he enters Valhalla proper. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/4894 "2018-08-22T17:07:23Z")
Wouldn’t it be great if the dwarves in Valhalla came out to battle to protect reality from Hel at some point? That’s a lot of warrior souls out there who might not mind another chance at kicking some ass. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/4895 "2018-08-22T17:49:21Z")
If (as in the real-world Norse mythos) they’re supposed to be hanging out until the final battle of Ragnarok, fighting to keep Hel from destroying the universe would fit pretty well. ---
**Author:** ![Gray\_Ghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c0e974/32.png) [@Gray\_Ghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gray_Ghost)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/4896 "2018-08-22T21:26:34Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > I don’t think it’s intended as a pun. Though who knows? Barista is one of those occupations that I’d think have a greater proportion of pink hair than the norm. I wouldn’t be surprised if it were a pun, and based off someone Burlew sees from time to time. I’d like to see Minrah hang around too, but the Snarl info seems to be kept really close to the chest, and I think that Alessan may be right in that Thor’s waiting for privacy before breaking out the crayons. EDIT: I do wonder how much of Durkon’s internal struggle, and what Thor and Minrah told him, he’ll remember when he gets Rez’d. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/4897 "2018-08-22T21:57:45Z")
There are some mortals who know how vampirism works, even if that knowledge is not particularly common. The only way anyone would know that would be from someone who was turned into a vampire and then released/raised, so there must be at least some memory of it. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/4898 "2018-08-23T02:18:47Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > The only way anyone would know that would be from someone who was turned into a vampire and then released/raised, . Or maybe because someone is friends with a vampire, like Tarquin was, and heard it from them. Or maybe a cleric heard it directly from the gods. Hardly the \*only \*way. ---
**Author:** ![Saltire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saltire/32/553_2.png) [@Saltire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saltire)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2018, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/4899 "2018-08-24T21:31:15Z")
[1137 But It Probably Won’t Come Up](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1137.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook) ---
**Author:** ![Saltire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saltire/32/553_2.png) [@Saltire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saltire)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2018, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/4900 "2018-08-24T21:32:21Z")
I’m starting to think when Durkon returns to the Prime Material, he’ll have some really handy info. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2018, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/4901 "2018-08-24T21:35:42Z")
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