# Order of the Stick - Book 6 Discussion Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 3, 2014, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755 "2014-03-03T16:07:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 258
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2018, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/5142 "2018-09-22T04:24:27Z")
Oooh, a nice meaty strip. Banjo may be a member of the dark one’s pantheon – at least, his brother (buddy?) is a god of the orcs – shouldn’t that naturally align with the god of the goblins? ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2018, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/5143 "2018-09-22T15:09:05Z")
> [@chorpler](#): > > I’m betting he’s on Mr. Stiffly’s side. > > And as we know from **Start of Darkness** , when the time comes that Redcloak has to betray Xykon, the MitD is going to at least briefly be on Xykon’s side, even if it won’t be voluntarily. In that case, it’s going to be up to O-chul to interpose himself between Redcloak and Monster-san. It will be counter to almost every instinct he has as a Paladin.Except perhaps the knowledge that True Wisdom includes the ability to recognize when the Alignment tables are an inadequate tool to determine the best course of action. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2018, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/5144 "2018-09-22T15:53:31Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > Oooh, a nice meaty strip. > > Banjo may be a member of the dark one’s pantheon – at least, his brother (buddy?) is a god of the orcs – shouldn’t that naturally align with the god of the goblins? The only evidence we have about Banjo is that he attempted to join the northern pantheon at [one point](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0137.html) and was rejected. So Banjo was not automatically enrolled in a pantheon when he became a “god”. And he did not join the northern pantheon and there’s been no mention of him joining any other pantheon since. So presumably Banjo and [Giggles](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0561.html) are independent from any other pantheon. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2018, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/5145 "2018-09-22T16:08:40Z")
Maybe they can fom their own pantheon, giving the gods a fifth colored quiddity against the Snarl. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2018, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/5146 "2018-09-22T17:09:50Z")
While clerics can technically worship any minor pseudo-deity or cause that they want, I assume those don’t actually translate to actual deities or pantheons (Banjo jokes aside) or else there’d be a full Pantone color palette of quiddities to choose from and fight the Snarl. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2018, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/5147 "2018-09-22T17:30:58Z")
More seriously, this adds strength to the idea that the mitd is Zeus. Because then it would be 5 colors against 4. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2018, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/5148 "2018-09-22T17:44:26Z")
I still want there to be a brightly-colored felt quiddity. So, let Mitd be Zeus, and contribute a green quiddity. Then, the Snarl kills the Dark One, leaving the Snarl nearly spent, but restoring it to color parity. And THAT’S when the Banjo/Giggles quiddity shows up in the nick of time (possibly aboard the _Mechane_) and saves the day! Hooray! ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2018, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/5149 "2018-09-22T19:42:46Z")
> [@Jonathan\_Chance](#): > > I feel the same way here I felt during the final confrontation between Cinderella and the Wicked Stepmother in the recent live-action Cinderella movie. There’s me shouting at the screen: There’s room here to make a deal where EVERYONE WINS! Do it! Yes, I know. sad. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2018, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/5150 "2018-09-22T19:44:33Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > In that case, it’s going to be up to O-chul to interpose himself between Redcloak and Monster-san. > > It will be counter to almost every instinct he has as a Paladin.Except perhaps the knowledge that True Wisdom includes the ability to recognize when the Alignment tables are an inadequate tool to determine the best course of action. The spoilers here are extraneous and annoying. I mean, is it a surprise that O-Chul is a paladin? Right there in the OotS wiki: > **[O-Chul](https://oots.fandom.com/wiki/O-Chul)** > > O-Chul is one of the last three Paladins of the Sapphire Guard. High-ranking in the Guard prior to the Battle of Azure City, and was charged with the defense of Soon's Gate on that day. He had a distinct facial scar on his eye before being taking... Did you just do this to be annoying? ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2018, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/5151 "2018-09-22T19:57:37Z")
Probably. Oh, c’mon. You knew **somebody** would do it! ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2018, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/5152 "2018-09-22T20:30:13Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Probably. > > Oh, c’mon. You knew **somebody** would do it! I dont know whether to report this … after I stop laughing. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2018, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/5153 "2018-09-22T20:38:54Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > The spoilers here are extraneous and annoying. > > I mean, is it a surprise that O-Chul is a paladin? > > Right there in the OotS wiki: > > [O-Chul | Order of the Stick Wiki | Fandom](http://oots.wikia.com/wiki/O-Chul) > > Did you just do this to be annoying? No, I didn’t, really. Just didn’t think it was any more egregious than > [@chorpler](#): > > I’m betting he’s on Mr. Stiffly’s side. > > And as we know from **Start of Darkness** , when the time comes that Redcloak has to betray Xykon, the MitD is going to at least briefly be on Xykon’s side, even if it won’t be voluntarily. and to be honest, I didn’t see > [@silenus](#): > > Which means I’m betting that the Final Showdown has O-Chul there to counter the MitD. Lighten up. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2018, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/5154 "2018-09-22T20:54:54Z")
[Moderating] OK, guys, **Chorpler** ’s spoilers served a purpose, because not everyone in this thread will have read _Start of Darkness_. The rest of the spoilers in response to that, however, seem to be just for purposes of annoying people. Knock it off. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2018, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/5155 "2018-09-22T21:55:27Z")
> [@chorpler](#): > > Also I don’t think I ever heard the term “quiddity” before. Clive Barker uses it a few times - there’s a Sea of Quiddity in his _Books of the Art_. Also China Miéville is also fond of the word. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2018, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/5156 "2018-09-22T22:15:31Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > [Moderating] > OK, guys, **Chorpler** ’s spoilers served a purpose, because not everyone in this thread will have read _Start of Darkness_. The rest of the spoilers in response to that, however, seem to be just for purposes of annoying people. Knock it off. Roger. Wilco. For the record, I haven’t read _Start of Darkness_. I have read these discussion threads, though. ---
**Author:** ![JoseB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/joseb/32/1530_2.png) [@JoseB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JoseB)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2018, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/5157 "2018-09-22T22:57:21Z")
So, time for us readers to start speculating and developing a theory of quiddity chromodynamics 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2018, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/5158 "2018-09-23T02:55:59Z")
> [@JoseB](#): > > So, time for us readers to start speculating and developing a theory of quiddity chromodynamics 😉 I think we can rule out the possibility of Hel having Charm. So let’s mark her down as Strange. ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2018, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/5159 "2018-09-23T04:09:24Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I think we can rule out the possibility of Hel having Charm. So let’s mark her down as Strange. Considering she’s a death goddess, Bottom would also be appropriate. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2018, 12:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/5160 "2018-09-23T12:26:42Z")
Bah, I still use Truth and Beauty for the two heaviest quarks. ---
**Author:** ![Hypno-Toad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b2d939/32.png) [@Hypno-Toad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hypno-Toad)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2018, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/5161 "2018-09-23T15:33:54Z")
I just noticed that when Thor is explaining the dolor theory, he mentions that all the previous worlds… **All but one** …were made of three colors. I wonder if the one world is the one that Blackwing saw. Also, is that the original world? Maybe the Snarl can’t destroy it, even though it killed everyone there. Perhaps everyone can get moved over to that world through the use of certain gates… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755.md?page=257) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755.md?page=259)