# Order of the Stick - Book 6 Discussion Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 3, 2014, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755 "2014-03-03T16:07:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 263
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2018, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/5242 "2018-10-10T02:49:35Z")
> [@wolfman](#): > > That doesn’t seem entirely consistent with a Lawful/stick-up the-ass-Good alignment. I’d guess that she honors the Twelve Gods as the divine watchers of the South (Lawful) and works to follow the principles of select members (Good). We don’t really know enough about the Southern Pantheon to say but we do know that the Azurites revere the Twelve Gods as a whole and have paladins, so they apparently have it figured out. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2018, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/5243 "2018-10-10T04:54:24Z")
There’s also the fact that Miko was crazy as a squirrel. She had the ability to convince herself of the truth of anything she wanted to believe. So she would have been able to believe she could worship an evil deity while being a paragon for good. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2018, 8:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/5244 "2018-10-10T08:20:21Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > There’s also the fact that Miko was crazy as a squirrel. She had the ability to convince herself of the truth of anything she wanted to believe. So she would have been able to believe she could worship an evil deity while being a paragon for good. In (IIRC) _The Deed of Paksennarrion_ someone says that evil gods sometimes pretend to sponsor paladins for their own amusement and evil ends. ---
**Author:** ![DerNils](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f14d63/32.png) [@DerNils](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DerNils)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2018, 8:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/5245 "2018-10-10T08:48:41Z")
And it may very well be the “necessary evil” Kind of god, comparable to sometimes Lokis role. You have to have someone to do the dirty deeds sometimes, or even have someone to tempt the mortals in order for them to make a conscious decision to be good. There is a reason god created Satan according to some christian interpretations - without Evil, the choice to do Good is meaningless. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2018, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/5246 "2018-10-10T13:45:21Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > There’s also the fact that Miko was crazy as a squirrel. She had the ability to convince herself of the truth of anything she wanted to believe. So she would have been able to believe she could worship an evil deity while being a paragon for good. Well, the entire Sapphire Guard seemed to revere the Twelve Gods so I don’t think this is any dissonance unique to Miko. Sort of like what **DerNils** said, it could also be that some of the Twelve Gods have a portfolio including some shady stuff like secrets or illness or pain but aren’t generically “evil”. Or it’s like twelve political parties – you consider yourself a loyal citizen of your country and government but you work to promote Party A (and maybe B, C & D to lesser extents as allies) but oppose the actions of Party E, F, G and H. ---
**Author:** ![Uniqueorn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uniqueorn/32/2807_2.png) [@Uniqueorn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uniqueorn)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2018, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/5247 "2018-10-17T16:14:00Z")
[1144: That’s Jack’s Fault](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1144.html) ---
**Author:** ![ekedolphin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ekedolphin/32/10003_2.png) [@ekedolphin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekedolphin)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2018, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/5248 "2018-10-17T16:15:22Z")
“Thor, pass the chips, please.” Haha. You can do it, Durkon! ---
**Author:** ![Uniqueorn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uniqueorn/32/2807_2.png) [@Uniqueorn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uniqueorn)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2018, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/5249 "2018-10-17T16:17:31Z")
Are we guessing that “Jack” is Jack Kirby? ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2018, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/5250 "2018-10-17T16:20:59Z")
“We used to have a pyramid diagram that explained this better…” took me a minute, but best line in the strip. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2018, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/5251 "2018-10-17T16:39:48Z")
> [@Uniqueorn](#): > > Are we guessing that “Jack” is Jack Kirby? Undoubtedly. “I used to be a ginger…” \ ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2018, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/5252 "2018-10-17T17:48:25Z")
Snerk? It was a full-blown belly laugh for me. ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2018, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/5253 "2018-10-17T18:39:21Z")
> [@dtilque](#): > > It’s likely that gods that rise up from mortals don’t survive the destruction of that world. Otherwise, after many sagans of worlds, there should be lots more than the few ascended gods that currently exist. If this is the case, then there has to be something that can be done with the current world, since the DO wouldn’t be around to help make the next one. Hah, vindicated! ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2018, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/5254 "2018-10-17T18:49:01Z")
There does seem to be the suggestion that at least some ascended gods do survive the Changing of Worlds. But the proportion must be awfully low, for the universe to not be overrun by ascended gods by now. ---
**Author:** ![wolfman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a8b319/32.png) [@wolfman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfman)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2018, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/5255 "2018-10-17T19:04:13Z")
I haven’t seen it explicitly stated, and I am be misunderstanding, but I am assuming from Thor’s words that there has never been a new quiddity with any of those new gods before though, so it may be new territory for everybody. ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2018, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/5256 "2018-10-17T19:34:27Z")
> [@wolfman](#): > > I haven’t seen it explicitly stated, and I am be misunderstanding, but I am assuming from Thor’s words that there has never been a new quiddity with any of those new gods before though, so it may be new territory for everybody. Thor pretty much says that in [panel 2 of strip 1142](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1142.html). He doesn’t explicitly say that all previous ascended gods acquired the quiddity of the pantheon that sponsored them, but it’s strongly implied. ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2018, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/5257 "2018-10-17T20:20:22Z")
Just thought of something. It’s about “Dedication”, one of the 4 deific food groups. When someone dies, their god gets a Dedication from that event, but, if panel 8 is to be believed, only if the god is invoked at the point of death. Furthermore, he says Hel has “been filling up on empty Dedications…”. So lots of people, having been reduced to 0 HP, say “Oh hell…”, and that dedicates their death to Hel. As [Thrym says](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1083.html) “it must be cool to have name that lends itself to so many good villain puns.” ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2018, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/5258 "2018-10-17T20:28:17Z")
> [@dtilque](#): > > Just thought of something. It’s about “Dedication”, one of the 4 deific food groups. When someone dies, their god gets a Dedication from that event, but, if panel 8 is to be believed, only if the god is invoked at the point of death. Furthermore, he says Hel has “been filling up on empty Dedications…”. So lots of people, having been reduced to 0 HP, say “Oh hell…”, and that dedicates their death to Hel. > > As [Thrym says](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1083.html) “it must be cool to have name that lends itself to so many good villain puns.” 😃 I am surprised then that there isn’t a deity named Fuck. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2018, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/5259 "2018-10-17T20:52:02Z")
Someone (it may have been in this thread) said that he had a D&D character who worshiped a deity named “Oh shit”, because it made prayer in stressful situations automatic. ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Blistering\_Barnacle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blue_blistering_barnacle/32/3386_2.png) [@Blue\_Blistering\_Barnacle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blue_Blistering_Barnacle)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2018, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/5260 "2018-10-17T22:45:03Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > “We used to have a pyramid diagram that explained this better…” took me a minute, but best line in the strip. I liked that, too. ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2018, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/5261 "2018-10-18T04:15:33Z")
It’s really interesting when Rich spends a comic answering a question that naturally arises off a plot point addressed earlier. After the last comic, the biggest issue I had was why it wouldn’t be advantageous to all the Gods to just blow the planet up and start over. After all, they’d apparently done just that billions of times already. By starting over, all the Gods, or at least the pantheons, would have to get together and recreate a world to trap the Snarl. But I guess I just had to wait one comic and it’s spelled out why that wouldn’t work. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755.md?page=262) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755.md?page=264)