# Order of the Stick - Book 6 Discussion Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 3, 2014, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755 "2014-03-03T16:07:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 266
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2018, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/5302 "2018-11-10T18:12:10Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > So what’s the secret? > > My guess: gunpowder. A prestige class, maybe? ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2018, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/5303 "2018-11-10T18:12:58Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > And they have the much more powerful[T.N.T.](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0239.html) too. Could it be an Illudium Q-36 Space Modulator? ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2018, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/5304 "2018-11-10T18:18:37Z")
Is there perhaps some feature dwarves have from earlier editions of D&D that they lost in 3.5? Even maybe something they got back in an obscure book? ---
**Author:** ![ekedolphin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ekedolphin/32/10003_2.png) [@ekedolphin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekedolphin)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2018, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/5305 "2018-11-10T18:29:07Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Is there perhaps some feature dwarves have from earlier editions of D&D that they lost in 3.5? Even maybe something they got back in an obscure book? I like this theory. I wonder if, when the conversation is over, Minrah will be going into Valhalla. Presumably, Durkon will be resurrected, or we’ve wasted like 10-15 strips here. ---
**Author:** ![wolfman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a8b319/32.png) [@wolfman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfman)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2018, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/5306 "2018-11-10T19:03:17Z")
My guess is he is getting a Holy/Artifact weapon, probably put in a secret compartment a few centuries ago and forgotten about. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2018, 10:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/5307 "2018-11-11T10:04:57Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > “Gosh I could give you amazing magical spells on demand every single morning. Do you think that might help?” > > I’m still rolling on the floor from that one. 😃 Sarcastic Thor is the best Thor. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2018, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/5308 "2018-11-11T17:49:07Z")
> [@ekedolphin](#): > > I wonder if, when the conversation is over, Minrah will be going into Valhalla. Presumably, Durkon will be resurrected, or we’ve wasted like 10-15 strips here. I would be just like Burlew to defy our expectations. He could keep Durkon dead and send Minrah back to become a permanent member of the group. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2018, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/5309 "2018-11-11T18:13:58Z")
Durkon probably will be needing a new weapon, since I think the vampire threw away his heirloom hammer. So a holy relic weapon would certainly be appreciated. ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2018, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/5310 "2018-11-11T20:05:22Z")
Durkon’s last line, agreeing with Thor that Minrah didn’t spend much time talking with Elan and that he’d said the same thing, made me wonder. Where did he say that? Searched back and found it: last line of [1133](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1133.html). Is refering to a strip only 13 back considered a callback? ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2018, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/5311 "2018-11-11T20:36:21Z")
Those gods are pretty charismatic aren’t they? Fantastic execution by Burlew. I’ve said it before: if he lived in Japan, he would oversee a staff of 3-5 and would be putting out 8-20 pages per week, about 1-6 panels per page. Sure, they would be in black and white, but still. ---
**Author:** ![Gray\_Ghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c0e974/32.png) [@Gray\_Ghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gray_Ghost)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2018, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/5312 "2018-11-11T20:49:09Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Durkon probably will be needing a new weapon, since I think the vampire threw away his heirloom hammer. So a holy relic weapon would certainly be appreciated. Souped up Hammer of Thunderbolts? Ax of the Dwarven Lords is out, because Cleric. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2018, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/5313 "2018-11-11T21:54:25Z")
> [@Gray\_Ghost](#): > > Souped up Hammer of Thunderbolts? Ax of the Dwarven Lords is out, because Cleric. 3.5 and Pathfinder cleric can use axes. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2018, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/5314 "2018-11-11T22:19:02Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > 3.5 and Pathfinder cleric can use axes. Even 2e opened it up: COMPLETE BOOK OF DWARVES offered the Ritual Priest kit for dwarven clerics — which basically says, _hey, if you’re the one who gets to talk at weddings and funerals and name-giving ceremonies, you’re probably respected by dwarves who’d pick up axes and fight to the death for the stronghold that is this community, right? So feel free to figure that’s you, too…_ ---
**Author:** ![Unpronounceable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/9de0a6/32.png) [@Unpronounceable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unpronounceable)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2018, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/5315 "2018-11-12T00:40:00Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > So what’s the secret? > > My guess: gunpowder. Hmm…possibly the pre-3rd Edition magic resistance? ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2018, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/5316 "2018-11-14T03:41:30Z")
So just finally caught up after quitting nearly half a decade ago when Durkon got vamped and updates got super slow. It seems like not a lot of strips for how long it’s been, hows the update schedule now a days? ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2018, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/5317 "2018-11-14T03:43:28Z")
Also something’s been bothering me about the vampire fight. That was the OOTS at peak performance, and they still got trounced. I don’t see how they can plan an execute a fight any better than that, and if it wasn’t even enough to beat some secondary villains what hope can they possibly have against Xykon. Other than another deus exy ending. ---
**Author:** ![Malleus\_Incus\_Stapes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/malleus_incus_stapes/32/3293_2.png) [@Malleus\_Incus\_Stapes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malleus_Incus_Stapes)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2018, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/5318 "2018-11-14T03:45:08Z")
To be fair, OOTS minus Durkon isn’t really peak performance. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2018, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/5319 "2018-11-14T03:47:28Z")
> [@Malleus\_Incus\_Stapes](#): > > To be fair, OOTS minus Durkon isn’t really peak performance. And OOTS _plus_ Durkon won the fight. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2018, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/5320 "2018-11-14T03:51:06Z")
Yeah, at that level, power mostly comes from the spellcasters, and the Order only has two and a half spellcasters. Also, I don’t think it’d be _deus ex machina_ for there to be some schisms within Team Evil: There’s been plenty of setup (including in the past couple of strips) for Monster-San and/or Redcloak to turn on Xykon. And there’s a decent chance that either of them might be able to solo Xykon, so them plus the Order would certainly be doable. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2018, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/5321 "2018-11-14T05:36:13Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Is there perhaps some feature dwarves have from earlier editions of D&D that they lost in 3.5? Even maybe something they got back in an obscure book? The [strip](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0001.html) started with the characters converting from 3.0 to 3.5. So 3.0 rules wouldn’t seem to be “a few generations back” when Durkon himself has been a 3.0 character. If Thor is referring to an old edition rule, I’d assume it was from something [before the 3rd Edition](https://dacardworld1.imgix.net/458073group.jpg?auto=format%2Ccompress&fm=jpg&h=1800&ixlib=php-1.2.1&w=1800&). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755.md?page=265) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755.md?page=267)