# Order of the Stick - Book 6 Discussion Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 3, 2014, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755 "2014-03-03T16:07:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 28
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2014, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/541 "2014-10-22T22:48:31Z")
Nemo is riffing that V’s gender/alignment neutrality preferences extend to meal types. ---
**Author:** ![lisiate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f05b48/32.png) [@lisiate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lisiate)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2014, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/542 "2014-10-22T23:21:48Z")
Or referencing Seinfeld. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2014, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/543 "2014-10-22T23:39:13Z")
Do you think the hidden Mickey was deliberate? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2014, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/544 "2014-10-22T23:43:56Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Brunch? It’s a meal that nobody is sure about. Is it breakfast or lunch? It’s not quite breakfast, it’s not quite lunch, but it comes with a slice of cantaloupe at the end; you don’t get completely what you would at breakfast, but you get a good meal. ---
**Author:** ![shantih](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f6c823/32.png) [@shantih](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shantih)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2014, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/545 "2014-10-23T00:14:53Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > Do you think the hidden Mickey was deliberate? I applaud anyone who gets an automatic twitch at any three circles appearing together, but I think those were just donuts. If they were meant to invoke a hidden Mickey, they would have been positioned slightly differently. ---
**Author:** ![vislor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/vislor/32/5933_2.png) [@vislor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vislor)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2014, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/546 "2014-10-24T13:50:40Z")
New One ---
**Author:** ![Hypno-Toad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b2d939/32.png) [@Hypno-Toad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hypno-Toad)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2014, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/547 "2014-10-24T13:59:10Z")
So what’s Durkula up to? And is it because Durkon is leading him into a trap? ---
**Author:** ![vislor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/vislor/32/5933_2.png) [@vislor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vislor)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2014, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/548 "2014-10-24T14:03:14Z")
> [@Hypno-Toad](#): > > So what’s Durkula up to? And is it because Durkon is leading him into a trap? I would like to think so but since they haven’t gotten to his homeland, I don’t think it can happen yet. ---
**Author:** ![oft\_wears\_hats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7993a0/32.png) [@oft\_wears\_hats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/oft_wears_hats)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2014, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/549 "2014-10-24T14:13:09Z")
I think you’re right, but we never can tell with Rich. He’s good at subverting conventions and expectations. Durkon has died, so even if he’s resurrected, and subsequently returns to his homeland, it would be posthumously (the Oracle would be all over a technicality like that). Still, the look on Durkula’s face suggests that he has something devious planned. I don’t think this is Durkon manipulating Durkula, it would have to be a whopper of a bluff to get Durkula to walk into a temple for a resurrection and think it was his idea. Probably out of reach for anyone other than Haley while she was under the effects of that super bluff potion. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2014, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/550 "2014-10-24T14:19:26Z")
Ah I wonder: if Durkula gets Resurrected, will it be that it’s Durkula who comes back and Durkon who will get ejected? ---
**Author:** ![Garula](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ea666f/32.png) [@Garula](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Garula)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2014, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/551 "2014-10-24T14:26:21Z")
Evil Durkon is clearly up to something, but I’ll be damned if I know what it is. Volunteering to be resurrected is clearly useful for building trust, but I have no idea how he plans to subvert such an attempt. ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2014, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/552 "2014-10-24T14:31:43Z")
I’m trying to think what use Durkoff has for a temple. Will he surreptitiously vampirize the gnome cleric, so he has an evil (cleric) follower to do his bidding? ---
**Author:** ![yellowjacketcoder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/4bbf92/32.png) [@yellowjacketcoder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yellowjacketcoder)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2014, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/553 "2014-10-24T14:45:46Z")
I’m wonder if, now that they’re in the Northern lands, and Roy not being much on religious stuff, he will be sneaking Roy into a Temple of Hel. Where he is the high priest. And will have a lot of other clerics of the same, ah, inclination. What kind of mind-raping magic do clerics have, again? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2014, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/554 "2014-10-24T14:48:52Z")
Could just be that he knows no clerics of high enough level will be on hand. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2014, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/555 "2014-10-24T14:51:14Z")
We were told that if we didn’t like the Durkon/Vamp dynamic we were in for a long 2015 so obviously Durkon’s not getting resurrected any time soon. There’s no real way to trick the party into thinking the ashen, blood-needing, sunlight-avoiding Durkon was ‘cured’ if he wasn’t so it’s nothing as simple as dominating a cleric and having him lie about it. I’ve no idea where this is going. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2014, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/556 "2014-10-24T14:53:14Z")
> [@yellowjacketcoder](#): > > I’m wonder if, now that they’re in the Northern lands, and Roy not being much on religious stuff, he will be sneaking Roy into a Temple of Hel. Where he is the high priest. And will have a lot of other clerics of the same, ah, inclination. Durkon told Malack that [Hel doesn’t have priests](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0737.html) (or any organized worship). So she wouldn’t likely have a temple. When Durkon got vampirized, I made the joke that he was now High Priest by default since he’s Hel’s only priest. ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2014, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/557 "2014-10-24T18:16:18Z")
> [@squeegee](#): > > I’m trying to think what use Durkoff has for a temple. Will he surreptitiously vampirize the gnome cleric, so he has an evil (cleric) follower to do his bidding? And I just realized: _Durkoff has Malack’s staff_. He’s pictured with it in the strip. That staff contains a spell to raise someone that Durkoff sucked dry into a full-on vampire immediately. So Durkoff can make followers in 5 minutes, 10 tops. So if Hel needs some vampire clerics of her stripe, Durkoff can drop by a temple, corner the priest(s) and make his own Hel clerics, who will now do his work and can make even more Hel clerics. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2014, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/558 "2014-10-24T19:01:23Z")
> [@squegee](#): > > and can make even more Hel clerics I don’t think thralls can make their own vampires and I doubt Durkon would be letting a bunch of one day old free-willed vampires loose… Even Durkon is at a bit of a disadvantage right now due to his unorthodox creation. He has Malack’s staff but no coffin. Speaking of, Durkon is also still bound to the staff for _Protection From Daylight_. Would he want to risk depleting the staff further by raising new vampires? I guess the question really revolves around what Hel’s game is. She must know about the last Gate and the Snarl (well, obviously she’d know about the Snarl) and so any plans she might have had would have to take a back seat to ensuring that she and the rest of the pantheons aren’t wiped from existence. That means control of the Gate. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2014, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/559 "2014-10-24T21:56:38Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > Could just be that he knows no clerics of high enough level will be on hand. I’d guess this is the likeliest answer. Durkula is getting brownie points by volunteering for a mission he knows he won’t be able to complete. As a bonus, it’ll get him off alone away from the rest of the group and give him an opportunity to carry out some real mission for Hel. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2014, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/560 "2014-10-24T22:18:33Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > Ah I wonder: if Durkula gets Resurrected, will it be that it’s Durkula who comes back and Durkon who will get ejected? Nah, Resurrection involves first killing the undead creature using the body (by destroying what’s left of the body - [remember when Roy was a bone golem ?](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0649.html)), then calling back the original soul from whichever afterlife it’s been chilling in. Undead have no souls, they’re just… I suppose “magical AIs” would be sorta correct ? Anyway, the point is, they lie strictly outside of the whole life/death/rebirth cycle. So I’m not sure what Durkula’s game is. [QUOTE=yellowjacketcoder] What kind of mind-raping magic do clerics have, again? [/QUOTE] Not much, actually - it’s more of a wizard/sorcerer thing. Though some cleric domains have some “do as I say” stuff, Nobility in particular. Cleric mind voodoo is more about “tell me the truth” or “stop right there !” than Mandchurian Candidate whammys. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755.md?page=27) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755.md?page=29)