# Order of the Stick - Book 6 Discussion Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 3, 2014, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755 "2014-03-03T16:07:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 44
**Author:** ![oft\_wears\_hats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7993a0/32.png) [@oft\_wears\_hats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/oft_wears_hats)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2015, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/861 "2015-03-28T14:57:08Z")
I’m sure there are people on the GitP Forums whinging about Haley’s parley with Crystal is going “too far” because flesh golems don’t have intelligence or something. But while it might not be D&D kosher, it was a clever, non-contrived way to resolve the plot line. Really liked this one. Well done, Rich. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2015, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/862 "2015-03-28T15:00:40Z")
Looks like Haley read this [strip](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0830.html). ---
**Author:** ![shantih](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f6c823/32.png) [@shantih](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shantih)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2015, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/863 "2015-03-28T15:18:36Z")
> [@John\_DiFool](#): > > Link added. :smack::smack::smack: And I don’t even have the not-enough-coffee-yet excuse. Crap! Thanks! :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2015, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/864 "2015-03-28T15:32:37Z")
Hmm. Think I spotted something. In [831](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0831.html), the one after Redcloak gets all supervillainy on Tsukiko… Redcloak has the phylactery and the fake phylactery. Well and good. Then he goes about casting the standard hiding spells on the fake one to fool Xykon. “Greater Obscure Object” “Hardening” “Superior Resistance” “Greater-” Sure, that could just be showing time lapse. But I’ve learned that the Giant is a bit too tricky for that. What exact WAS going on there? ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2015, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/865 "2015-03-28T16:21:06Z")
What was going on there was him casting a bunch of spells on the fake phylactery, to make it look like the real one. What’s the confusion? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2015, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/866 "2015-03-28T16:45:12Z")
What the last spell was, and if it does more than just make the fake more convincing. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2015, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/867 "2015-03-29T01:14:58Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Uhhh, thanks? > > In other news, is Crystal the Golem’s affliction out of the ordinary for golems? I’m wondering if she might be made aware of who is responsible for her continual torture and redirect her ire. Yes, I know her prime directive would seem to make that impossible, but if feeling no pain is being deliberately overridden, maybe an unintended consequence could be an impairment of her compulsion to obey it. Hey, I FINALLY GOT ONE RIGHT!!! :D:D:D:cool:🆒🆒:):)🙂 I mean, NEARLY right. I didn’t have the courage of my convictions to take my speculation that far, but the actual outcome looks like a best-case scenario of my thinking. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2015, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/868 "2015-03-29T02:09:26Z")
Well her creator is prominently in the room with Bozack, so the green fellow will probably survive this encounter. And Haley isn’t out of hot water quite yet. ISTM that Frankencrystal needs a shot of morphine or some sort of painkiller. But I can’t find anything like that online (or at least I can’t find the RPG version). Notwithstanding magical healing, they must have surgery in D&D-land, right? ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2015, 7:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/869 "2015-03-29T07:43:52Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > ISTM that Frankencrystal needs a shot of morphine or some sort of painkiller. But I can’t find anything like that online (or at least I can’t find the RPG version). Notwithstanding magical healing, they must have surgery in D&D-land, right? Why develop surgery when you can just pray the harm away ? Magic, like slavery, intrinsically stifles innovation :). Seriously though, I expect anaesthetic plants would be covered by either Knowledge(Nature) or Heal. There are also poisons that drop you unconscious or reduce Wisdom. Failing that, there’s always drinking contests with a dwarf. As for the strip, I must admit I have a lot of respect for Haley managing to finagle her way into “turning” Crystal while still laying burn after burn after burn on her. Now that’s some Diplomacy right there. ---
**Author:** ![Your\_Great\_Darsh\_Face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ac8455/32.png) [@Your\_Great\_Darsh\_Face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Your_Great_Darsh_Face)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2015, 7:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/870 "2015-03-29T07:59:32Z")
> [@oft\_wears\_hats](#): > > I’m sure there are people on the GitP Forums whinging about Haley’s parley with Crystal is going “too far” because flesh golems don’t have intelligence or something. But while it might not be D&D kosher, it was a clever, non-contrived way to resolve the plot line. > > Really liked this one. Well done, Rich. And _this_ flesh golem was [specially](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0974.html) created that way, on Bozzok’s orders. ---
**Author:** ![oft\_wears\_hats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7993a0/32.png) [@oft\_wears\_hats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/oft_wears_hats)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2015, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/871 "2015-03-29T15:09:20Z")
Ah, right. I forgot about that part. So the whinging must have happened back when that strip came out, instead 😉 ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2015, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/872 "2015-03-29T15:24:55Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > …ISTM that Frankencrystal needs a shot of morphine or some sort of painkiller. But I can’t find anything like that online (or at least I can’t find the RPG version). Notwithstanding magical healing, they must have surgery in D&D-land, right? I would not expect human pain killers to work on a golem. Why would a golem have the chemical pathways that morphine or novocaine act on? I don’t think they even benefit from potions of healing, do they? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2015, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/873 "2015-03-29T16:12:01Z")
Right. Golems aren’t living creatures, even the ones that are technically made out of meat. Healing spells don’t work on them. Neither do poisons. Or, for that matter, disease, death effects, necromantic effects, paralysis, sleep, stunning, mind affecting effects, ability drain, ability damage, fatigue, exhaustion, energy drain, non-lethal damage, critical hits, or anything that requires a Fortitude save. And that’s just for being a construct. Golems specifically get even more immunities. ---
**Author:** ![Your\_Great\_Darsh\_Face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ac8455/32.png) [@Your\_Great\_Darsh\_Face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Your_Great_Darsh_Face)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2015, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/874 "2015-03-29T17:40:59Z")
Not to blow my own trumpet or anything, but in the previous strip when Crystal said “Pain is all I feel!” I did wonder if Haley would succeed in getting the blame for that assigned where it belonged. That said, anticipating what the Giant will do every once in a long while is not a great batting average. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2015, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/875 "2015-03-30T00:43:47Z")
Poor Crystal. True she was a sadistic assassin-for-hire with a sizable body count who probably didn’t give a toss for her victims or their families. There’s that. But surely there has to be some way to fan wank her some relief. She is a homebrewed construct after all. Conventional golems lack intelligence altogether. ---
**Author:** ![Tabby\_Cat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tabby\_Cat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tabby_Cat)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2015, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/876 "2015-03-30T01:50:11Z")
Can you raise dead or resurrect a flesh golem? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2015, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/877 "2015-03-30T01:52:39Z")
_True Resurrection_ would do the trick. ---
**Author:** ![Tabby\_Cat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tabby\_Cat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tabby_Cat)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2015, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/878 "2015-03-30T01:58:06Z")
That’s the one that doesn’t need the body, right? I thought word of god ruled out true resurrection in OOTS. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2015, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/879 "2015-03-30T12:33:13Z")
> [@Tabby\_Cat](#): > > Can you raise dead or resurrect a flesh golem? We’ve seen it done for a bone golem, remember. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2015, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/880 "2015-03-30T12:43:18Z")
> [@Tabby\_Cat](#): > > Can you raise dead or resurrect a flesh golem? Technically, after the flesh golem is destroyed, what’s left is the body of the person used to make it. You’re not resurrecting the golem (after all, it was never alive in the first place), you’re resurrecting its raw materials. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755.md?page=43) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755.md?page=45)