# Order of the Stick - Book 6 Discussion Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 3, 2014, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755 "2014-03-03T16:07:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 51
**Author:** ![zut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zut/32/2875_2.png) [@zut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zut)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2015, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1001 "2015-04-23T16:31:11Z")
> [@Gray\_Ghost](#): > > The characters ascending into the Pantheon is a nice thought for ending the strip. Would The Dark One or the IFCC be aware of this? How does TDO’s and RedCloak’s goal of rewriting things so that Goblins have a better say in Stickverse affairs mesh with **zut** ’s proposed idea of how all of this will wrap up? I would speculate that all the Gods are co-operating on this long-term, eliminate-the-Snarl-by-restoring-balance-and-order plan, so Gods are aware of it. I’d further speculate that they got buy-in from everyone by agreeing to leave to chance \*which \*PCs, exactly, get ascended, which means in effect all the Gods are maneuvering to get their followers into the right position. Non-Gods know what their Gods tell them, although Xyklon in particular may have stumbled onto this plan by accident. > [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > Roy is Zeus, Elan is Apollo. V – has a familiar? I like the way the six OOTS members are the correct number to match the six dead Gods shown (assuming Zeus = MITD); that’s a nice symmetry. But if instead the Eastern Pantheon \*really \*consisted of all 12 Olympians + Hades, V could be Athena (who has an owl), Haley could be Artemis the Huntress, MITD could be Hera or Hestia, and Roy could then be Zeus, all of which seems more appropriate. (BTW, I’d further speculate that V’s oracle prophecy is as yet unfullfilled.) That leaves six more slots, so maybe the Linear Guild gets restarted to fill them. 🙂 ETA: > [@Gyrate](#): > > Also: how has no one flagged V - who values knowledge and wisdom AND has a bird familiar - as Athena? Yeah, I did think of that independently, but I was focusing on only the seven Gods shown in the crayon drawing. If all 12 Olympians were actually in the Pantheon, that opens a lot more possibilities, including the identity of the MITD (as I mentioned above). ---
**Author:** ![zut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zut/32/2875_2.png) [@zut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zut)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2015, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1002 "2015-04-23T16:45:00Z")
So, interestingly, from [Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athena): > [@](#): > > J.J. Bachofen advocated that Athena was originally a maternal figure stable in her security and poise but was caught up and perverted by a patriarchal society; this was especially the case in Athens. The goddess adapted but could very easily be seen as a god. He viewed it as “motherless paternity in the place of fatherless maternity” where once altered, Athena’s character was to be crystallized as that of a patriarch… > > Some modern authors classify the changes as an “androgynous compromise” that allowed her traits and what she stood for to be attributed to male and female rulers alike over the course of history (such as Marie de’ Medici, Anne of Austria, Christina of Sweden, and Catherine the Great). Probably confirmation bias on my part, but still… ---
**Author:** ![yellowjacketcoder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/4bbf92/32.png) [@yellowjacketcoder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yellowjacketcoder)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2015, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1003 "2015-04-23T17:17:52Z")
> [@zut](#): > > (BTW, I’d further speculate that V’s oracle prophecy is as yet unfullfilled.) Unfortunately, word of giant has said that V’s prophecy was fulfilled with “I… I must succeed” and the soul splice. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2015, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1004 "2015-04-23T20:29:56Z")
> [@](#): > > Quoth **zut** : > > Haley could be Artemis the Huntress,… It’s already established canon in the strip that the notion of Haley as a virgin is risible. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2015, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1005 "2015-04-24T00:09:38Z")
> [@zut](#): > > I like the way the six OOTS members are the correct number to match the six dead Gods shown (assuming Zeus = MITD); that’s a nice symmetry. But if instead the Eastern Pantheon \*really \*consisted of all 12 Olympians + Hades, V could be Athena (who has an owl), Haley could be Artemis the Huntress, MITD could be Hera or Hestia, and Roy could then be Zeus, all of which seems more appropriate. Come to think of it, wouldn’t Durkon be a better Zeus (bearded guy obsessed with thunder and lightning) and Roy a better Hades (because, okay, Durkon’s been vamped, but Roy was actually, y’know, _dead,_ hanging out with dead people and returning from the afterlife because there’s a walking corpse that needs to be put in the ground)? ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2015, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1006 "2015-04-24T01:15:55Z")
I expect Durkon to be raised and un-vamped before the story ends. So I wouldn’t take “he’s a vampire” as indicative if how anything will end. But, he does have to die to be raised. ---
**Author:** ![wolfman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a8b319/32.png) [@wolfman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfman)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2015, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1007 "2015-04-24T02:44:55Z")
It’s not absolutely certain the previous eastern deities are gone. There does seem to be a nice little world inside the rifts, and there is nothing certain in stickverse about where gods go when they die. Maybe they got reformed in there. ---
**Author:** ![Your\_Great\_Darsh\_Face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ac8455/32.png) [@Your\_Great\_Darsh\_Face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Your_Great_Darsh_Face)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2015, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1008 "2015-04-24T05:43:47Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > It’s already established canon in the strip that the notion of Haley as a virgin is risible. Yes, she and Elan have been playing “hide the skin flute” since before Azure City fell. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2015, 9:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1009 "2015-04-24T09:22:54Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > Come to think of it, wouldn’t Durkon be a better Zeus (bearded guy obsessed with thunder and lightning) I would have gone with Hephaestus if only for the hammer and general association of dwarves with metal forging. > [@zut](#): > > V could be Athena (who has an owl) I would just add the linking of Pallas Athena and a raven thanks to E.A. Poe. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2015, 11:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1010 "2015-04-24T11:53:46Z")
Durkon would be a good Dionysus, god of booze. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2015, 12:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1011 "2015-04-24T12:09:51Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > Durkon would be a good Dionysus, god of booze. _An’ me SYMBOL be a SEVERED TREE BRANCH tipp’d with PINECONE! Emblematic o’ me desire to CASTRATE ALL THE WEE BASTARDS!_ ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2015, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1012 "2015-04-24T20:57:03Z")
> [@](#): > > Quoth **Your Great Darsh Face** : > > Yes, she and Elan have been playing “hide the skin flute” since before Azure City fell. Even before they became an item. In an early bonus strip, they encounter a unicorn, and Roy suggests that Haley try to talk with it, because unicorns have an affinity for maidens. Haley tries to weasel out of it, but Roy insists it’s worth a shot, which leads to the unicorn to paroxysms of laughter. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2015, 8:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1013 "2015-04-27T08:56:02Z")
[New Comic](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0981.html) ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2015, 9:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1014 "2015-04-27T09:12:49Z")
Well, that’s two problems taken care of. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2015, 9:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1015 "2015-04-27T09:14:31Z")
And that’s pretty much all of Haley’s character arc loose ends tied up. She even recapped nicely for us. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2015, 10:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1016 "2015-04-27T10:07:17Z")
Not quite all, there’s still [her secret](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0309.html)that even V doesn’t know. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2015, 10:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1017 "2015-04-27T10:20:30Z")
BTW, is there any significance to the runes around the pit or is that just decoration? ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2015, 10:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1018 "2015-04-27T10:27:43Z")
Probably there to keep the town from melting. That would explain how Crystal didn’t notice she was standing above a pit of hot lava. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2015, 10:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1019 "2015-04-27T10:44:43Z")
Remember what I said about Haley and agency? Yeah, she’s got it. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2015, 11:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1020 "2015-04-27T11:44:08Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > BTW, is there any significance to the runes around the pit or is that just decoration? > [@Alessan](#): > > Probably there to keep the town from melting. That would explain how Crystal didn’t notice she was standing above a pit of hot lava. The runes deciphered: > **[View Single Post: OOTS #981 - The Discussion Thread](https://forums.giantitp.com/showsinglepost.php?p=19170940&postcount=62)** > > The Giant in the Playground message boards, where fans of the Order of the Stick webcomic congregate to discuss gaming and such. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755.md?page=50) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755.md?page=52)