# Order of the Stick - Book 6 Discussion Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 3, 2014, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755 "2014-03-03T16:07:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 52
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2015, 12:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1021 "2015-04-27T12:01:17Z")
Hah! ---
**Author:** ![Hypno-Toad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b2d939/32.png) [@Hypno-Toad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hypno-Toad)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2015, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1022 "2015-04-27T12:33:16Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > Come to think of it, wouldn’t Durkon be a better Zeus (bearded guy obsessed with thunder and lightning) and Roy a better Hades (because, okay, Durkon’s been vamped, but Roy was actually, y’know, _dead,_ hanging out with dead people and returning from the afterlife because there’s a walking corpse that needs to be put in the ground)? Roy could become Cronus because, hey, he’s already got a trouser titan… ---
**Author:** ![shantih](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f6c823/32.png) [@shantih](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shantih)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2015, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1023 "2015-04-27T12:48:42Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > The runes deciphered: > [View Single Post: OOTS #981 - The Discussion Thread](http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showsinglepost.php?p=19170940&postcount=62) And from that link, the penny dropped for me: golem = Gollum. Ha! Very neat wrap-up of the Crystal/Bozzak/Thieves Guild subplot, showing how much Haley has developed as a character to boot. ---
**Author:** ![Lok](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e8c25b/32.png) [@Lok](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lok)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2015, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1024 "2015-04-27T14:47:27Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > Not quite all, there’s still [her secret](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0309.html)that even V doesn’t know. I think that is referring to her needing money to bail out her father. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2015, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1025 "2015-04-27T15:28:07Z")
> [@Lok](#): > > I think that is referring to her needing money to bail out her father. There’s some [other secret](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0311.html) that involve somebody named Kyran and Rachel. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2015, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1026 "2015-04-27T15:35:01Z")
> [@Lok](#): > > I think that is referring to her needing money to bail out her father. No, that’s a different secret. Her confessions to Elan at the restaurant (when she was trying to break her language block) translate as: > [@](#): > > Elan, I’m in love with you. > Elan, I’m in love with you. Completely in love. Love, love, love! > My dad is being held ransom by an evil dictator. I’m not really in the Thieves’ Guild anymore. > I cheat at solitaire. I have a tattoo you’ve never seen. I kissed a girl once. OK, OK, more than once! > Elan, it turns out I may not be exactly what you would call– Later she says she’s “Chaotic Good! Ish!” so I’m thinking that last secret is about her alignment. I’m guessing Kyran and Rachel were earlier romantic partners. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2015, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1027 "2015-04-27T16:45:26Z")
> [@Lok](#): > > I think that is referring to her needing money to bail out her father. I don’t think so. The strip carefully avoids telling what the secret is, but the readers already knew about her father. Since it’s not a secret (to the readers) the strip wouldn’t have avoided saying it. ---
**Author:** ![Sasquatch\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8491ac/32.png) [@Sasquatch\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sasquatch_1)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2015, 6:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1028 "2015-04-28T06:27:30Z")
Also, Q&A thread with some actual A on OOTS forums. > **[Interview Questions For Rich](https://forums.giantitp.com/showthread.php?411301-Interview-Questions-For-Rich)** > > In another thread I thought of a question that I thought of a question I'd ask Rich in an interview. So it got me wondering, if there was a collective Forum interview of him, what questions would you want to ask? > > There is no guarantee he will... ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2015, 6:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1029 "2015-04-28T06:56:52Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > I’m guessing Kyran and Rachel were earlier romantic partners. Why would she hide her alignment from V? V didn’t care about that kind of stuff at the time. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2015, 8:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1030 "2015-04-28T08:20:16Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Why would she hide her alignment from V? V didn’t care about that kind of stuff at the time. To quote the current strip: > [@Haley](#): > > I think I’ve moved past that whole **paranoid lie-to-everyone thing** altogether. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2015, 12:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1031 "2015-04-28T12:20:26Z")
Which was a trait that her father fostered in her. I remember the occasional “youth” strip for Haley and Ian Starshine was a freaking paranoiac and made sure to raise her the same way. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2015, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1032 "2015-04-28T16:17:16Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > There’s some [other secret](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0311.html) that involve somebody named Kyran and Rachel. I don’t think that’s a secret, I think that’s just two of her pre-Elan relationships that didn’t work out. ---
**Author:** ![Gray\_Ghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c0e974/32.png) [@Gray\_Ghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gray_Ghost)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 10:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1033 "2015-05-04T10:59:40Z")
New Strip: [982](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0982.html) ---
**Author:** ![Saltire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saltire/32/553_2.png) [@Saltire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saltire)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2015, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1034 "2015-05-04T20:41:04Z")
Since Vamp Durkon hasn’t returned to dwarven lands, we can be pretty sure this resurrection won’t happen. But what twist will keep it from happening. Seems like Roy has everything he needs, and the temple doesn’t seem inclined to drive them away at this point. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2015, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1035 "2015-05-05T02:33:17Z")
> [@Saltire](#): > > Since Vamp Durkon hasn’t returned to dwarven lands, we can be pretty sure this resurrection won’t happen. But what twist will keep it from happening. Seems like Roy has everything he needs, and the temple doesn’t seem inclined to drive them away at this point. But they haven’t said they could do it (and they’re not aware they’re dealing with a vampire). All they’ve done is call for the head cleric. We’ve already seen that the first temple Roy and “Durkon” went to wasn’t up to handling the job. Most likely, the head cleric will arrive and also be unable to resurrect Durkon. The point of this visit will be some other element of the story. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2015, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1036 "2015-05-05T03:48:37Z")
Hmm, I wonder if Durkon wants to fake a resurrection? That seems farfetched. ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2015, 6:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1037 "2015-05-05T06:22:20Z")
I think Durkpire is shopping for a high level cleric, one high level enough to do a resurrection. For reasons unexplained. My original notion upthread was Durk would vamp said cleric, but others in the thread were unconvinced. Shrug. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2015, 7:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1038 "2015-05-05T07:09:48Z")
I don’t think that’s it. Durkon says that shopping between temples is a way to get to someplace Hel needs him to be (Roy acting as bodyguard on the trip). Since we don’t know where or what that is, it’s difficult to speculate on how shopping for a rez, or a high level cleric helps exactly. Maybe the high cleric of Hoder is really an undercover Hel agent that will send them someplace in search for some McGuffin that would supposedly allow the rez ? Maybe Hel needs Durktat to infiltrate the inner sanctum of this or that gnome temple for unspecified reasons ? Maybe the point of Roy tagging along isn’t physical safety, but more vouching for Durkula (in Roy’s capacity as an established LG actor) which would let the Dorfpire pass through putative gates or wards. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2015, 7:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1039 "2015-05-05T07:23:59Z")
My thought is that if a Resurrection is cast, then it will be the HPOH that is resurrected and not Durkon. ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2015, 9:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1040 "2015-05-05T09:11:49Z")
I’m not sure everyone understands a critical part of resurrecting Durkon. Durkula (the vampire) must first be destroyed. There’s several ways to do that, but if he doesn’t really want the resurrection (and I’m certain he doesn’t), Durkula will resist vigorously. And resurrecting the HPoH makes no sense at all. As for what Durkula is looking for by visiting the temples, there’s a hint in the foreshadowing in [strip 968](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0968.html). That foreshadowing could also apply to Roy. BTW, note that Durkula’s usual tactic for avoiding unpleasantness (dominating the person responsible) won’t work at the Shrine of Hoder. The blindfolds the priests are wearing preclude that. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755.md?page=51) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755.md?page=53)