# Order of the Stick - Book 6 Discussion Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 3, 2014, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755 "2014-03-03T16:07:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 60
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2015, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1181 "2015-06-29T22:28:03Z")
> [@shantih](#): > > Then I will have to content myself by saying that I’m glad this is a relatively short strip; hopefully it means seeing the next one soon. Not that I’m complaining about the pace, I just like seeing that a new one is up. A short strip but I bet the artwork on it took longer than usual. In addition to the breath effect, the temple, and the mountain scenery, Burlew had to design winter clothing for the characters. ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2015, 7:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1182 "2015-06-30T07:56:14Z")
> [@shantih](#): > > Not that I’m complaining about the pace, I just like seeing that a new one is up. You’re allowed to complain about the pace over here. Just don’t do it on the gitp forums. I do wonder if the slow pace of updates has decreased the readership of the strip. There doesn’t seem to be as much activity lately on the gitp forums, especially comments about the individual strips. Of course it’s hard to separate that effect from the fact that many of the strips lately have not been that significant and so there isn’t as much to comment on. Well, we’ll see how it goes when there is a significant strip. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2015, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1183 "2015-06-30T13:12:54Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Wall of Stone for the win! > [@Quartz](#): > > Yes, [Stone Shape](http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/stoneShape.htm) only allows crude shaping. It looks as though they hollowed out the mountain peak itself for the temple. Stone Shape might be helpful for that, though [Wall of Stone](http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/wallOfStone.htm) doesn’t look as though it allows for fine detail work either. And then there’s the windows… Plus, it’s only temporary so I assume later they have to put all the stone back. I guess Wall of Stone would work fine for that purpose. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2015, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1184 "2015-06-30T13:30:08Z")
Or they could just have called for a Miracle. Gods do that, you know :). ---
**Author:** ![yellowjacketcoder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/4bbf92/32.png) [@yellowjacketcoder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yellowjacketcoder)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2015, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1185 "2015-06-30T15:15:48Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Or they could just have called for a Miracle. Gods do that, you know :). I wonder somewhat if the gods are more involved than just granting a miracle - i.e. we’ll actually find a few pantheons there in the mortal realm. I really doubt Durkon could solo a god, but I bet Hel would be pretty happy if he provoked a couple of the Northern Pantheon gods into offing each other. After all, killing some of the gods is a not uncommon thing to do at high levels. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2015, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1186 "2015-06-30T16:18:31Z")
Yes, this has the potential to be really interesting. Eagerly awaiting updates. ---
**Author:** ![Hypno-Toad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b2d939/32.png) [@Hypno-Toad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hypno-Toad)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2015, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1187 "2015-07-08T17:08:01Z")
[993 is up.](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0993.html) ---
**Author:** ![Astroboy14](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/df705f/32.png) [@Astroboy14](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astroboy14)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2015, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1188 "2015-07-08T19:59:28Z")
“Moots and Ladders”! LOL. ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2015, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1189 "2015-07-08T20:15:38Z")
Any other rules we should know about? Oh, just some stuff that I’ll mention in passing as a point of reference but there’s no possible way it’ll apply to you, so I’ll skim over it. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2015, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1190 "2015-07-08T21:31:04Z")
I love how Roy doesn’t need to hesitate to pick Belkar. He knows that he’s an evil little twerp, and will be glad when he’s soon dead, but despite that, Roy is still a team player, and knows the evil little twerp’s strengths and value to the party. ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2015, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1191 "2015-07-08T22:28:24Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > I love how Roy doesn’t need to hesitate to pick Belkar. He knows that he’s an evil little twerp, and will be glad when he’s soon dead… You really think Roy will be glad when Belkar’s dead? ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2015, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1192 "2015-07-08T22:39:55Z")
[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0951.html](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0951.html) “I’m going to dance on your grave, you know. Maybe a nice jig? I might take lessons first” ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2015, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1193 "2015-07-08T22:41:32Z")
Well, at the least, he’s said things like “Soon he won’t be our problem any more”. Yeah, he might feel some pangs on the old heartstrings anyway, when it happens, and the circumstances of Belkar’s death might end up tragic for other reasons (if it means the Order losing a critical fight, for instance), but he’s certainly anticipating the event without grief. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2015, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1194 "2015-07-08T23:19:22Z")
Considering that having associated with Belkar AT ALL has already earned Roy a long, embarrassing and really annoying “audit” by the Powers Which Is, I can see kind of hoping to have Belkar drop out of existence and save him future trouble. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2015, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1195 "2015-07-09T01:54:52Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Well, at the least, he’s said things like “Soon he won’t be our problem any more”. Yeah, he might feel some pangs on the old heartstrings anyway, when it happens, and the circumstances of Belkar’s death might end up tragic for other reasons (if it means the Order losing a critical fight, for instance), but he’s certainly anticipating the event without grief. Yet. I’m still predicting there will be a major issue over this. There’s been a lot of foreshadowing to that effect. At some point Roy will be confronted with the immorality that he is knowingly leading Belkar unknowingly to his death. ---
**Author:** ![Yookeroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yookeroo/32/323_2.png) [@Yookeroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yookeroo)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2015, 5:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1196 "2015-07-09T05:45:44Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Well, at the least, he’s said things like “Soon he won’t be our problem any more”. Yeah, he might feel some pangs on the old heartstrings anyway, when it happens, and the circumstances of Belkar’s death might end up tragic for other reasons (if it means the Order losing a critical fight, for instance), but he’s certainly anticipating the event without grief. There’s a lot of room between not feeling grief and glad he’s dead. ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2015, 6:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1197 "2015-07-09T06:33:53Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > [951 Helping Hand - Giant in the Playground Games](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0951.html) > > “I’m going to dance on your grave, you know. Maybe a nice jig? I might take lessons first” Clearly teasing. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2015, 9:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1198 "2015-07-09T09:04:06Z")
Re: Belkar - there’s also [this in 838](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0838.html): HALEY: Wow, it’s amazing how useful that little guy has become. ROY: He might seem cooperative now – but don’t forget that he’s a cold-blooded monster that we’re just managing to control through intangible means until either he escapes or he dies for a cause that isn’t his own. […] HALEY: Are we talking about the kobold, or Belkar? ROY: Eh. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2015, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1199 "2015-07-09T20:26:44Z")
I’m also thinking about this [scene](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0162.html) where Roy had a belated [realization](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0488.html) about the morality of what he had done. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2015, 10:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1200 "2015-07-10T10:51:22Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Yet. > > I’m still predicting there will be a major issue over this. There’s been a lot of foreshadowing to that effect. At some point Roy will be confronted with the immorality that he is knowingly leading Belkar unknowingly to his death. Wait. Unknowingly? Nobody told him? Man, I got to go through the archives again. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755.md?page=59) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755.md?page=61)