# Order of the Stick - Book 6 Discussion Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 3, 2014, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755 "2014-03-03T16:07:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 75
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2015, 11:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1481 "2015-08-21T11:41:30Z")
> [@oft\_wears\_hats](#): > > Quite a cliffhanger. I thought that it was going to come out as a tie and Hel was going to tip the balance to “No” because she has a plan for the gate, but now the only meaningful thing Hel can do is cause a tie. Do we know what happens in the case of a tie? > [@Finagle](#): > > The Vice President breaks the tie. Or maybe the MITD. Maybe they’ll send for Elan and Banjo. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2015, 11:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1482 "2015-08-21T11:45:23Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Is Darkwing a crow or a raven? > [@Jophiel](#): > > [Blackwing’s a raven](http://oots.wikia.com/wiki/Blackwing) Yep. Darkwing is a duck. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2015, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1483 "2015-08-21T15:08:35Z")
**[999](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0999.html)** Apparently Rich is tired of the strip and will just end it at 1,000. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Finagle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b19c9b/32.png) [@Finagle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Finagle)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2015, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1484 "2015-08-21T15:17:57Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > **[999](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0999.html)** > Apparently Rich is tired of the strip and will just end it at 1,000. 😛 That would make me Snarl. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2015, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1485 "2015-08-21T20:32:40Z")
> [@Hypno-Toad](#): > > Where’s Belkars cat all this time? Maybe Belkar tied a note or something to him to tell Roy an important bit of information. > [@BrainGlutton](#): > > On the airship, I should think. Yes: panel 2, #993. [993 Moots and Ladders - Giant in the Playground Games](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0993.html) On familiars, I always thought rolling up a toad would be awkward. He can’t just hop along, and riding on the magic user’s shoulder stretches credibility. The art upgrade is really being put to use now. ---
**Author:** ![ekedolphin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ekedolphin/32/10003_2.png) [@ekedolphin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekedolphin)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2015, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1486 "2015-08-21T21:01:59Z")
I quite like the art upgrade. IIRC, Rich first experimented with the art upgrade in _Snips, Snails and Dragon Tails,_ during the Julio story. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2015, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1487 "2015-08-21T22:06:35Z")
The before mentioned Dragon article talked about how having a toad familiar was practically a curse. They’re hard to transport, useless in combat even as a distraction, prone to fungal infections, can be difficult to feed, require a consistent climate, etc. Their only beneficial ability is to grant wide-angle vision which is a heck of a lot less useful than cats seeing in the dark or crows seeing from overhead. This was back in 1st edition when your familiar was just an animal so your toad had one hit point and, if it died, you permanently lost 1-4hp and had to take a System Shock roll to avoid permanent death. Nice DM’s shouldn’t let players roll toads. I don’t know if it’s so bad these days with familiars being quasi-arcane beings and much more durable. ---
**Author:** ![mlees](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba8739/32.png) [@mlees](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mlees)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2015, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1488 "2015-08-21T22:09:38Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > The before mentioned Dragon article talked about how having a toad familiar was practically a curse. They’re hard to transport, useless in combat even as a distraction, prone to fungal infections, can be difficult to feed, require a consistent climate, etc. Their only beneficial ability is to grant wide-angle vision which is a heck of a lot less useful than cats seeing in the dark or crows seeing from overhead. > > This was back in 1st edition when your familiar was just an animal so your toad had one hit point and, if it died, you permanently lost 1-4hp and had to take a System Shock roll to avoid permanent death. > > Nice DM’s shouldn’t let players roll toads. I don’t know if it’s so bad these days with familiars being quasi-arcane beings and much more durable. I could see them being used as familiars for NPC spellcasters (i.e. witches). NPC’s don’t have the wanderlust that players do. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2015, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1489 "2015-08-21T22:18:55Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > Nice DM’s shouldn’t let players roll toads. I don’t know if it’s so bad these days with familiars being quasi-arcane beings and much more durable. Hey, if we didn’t have toad familiars, we’d never have had [Ralph](http://yamara.com/comics/poopsie-generation/)! ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2015, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1490 "2015-08-21T23:47:06Z")
3rd edition (what this comic is based on) familiars were pretty durable, with half of their master’s HP. In 5th, though, they’re back to 1 HP. On the other hand, though, the only consequence now to losing one is that you have to spend 10 GP on the ritual to get it back. ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2015, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1491 "2015-08-25T17:49:03Z")
[The Stick has updated episode 1000!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCatTUG8_9c) ---
**Author:** ![Your\_Great\_Darsh\_Face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ac8455/32.png) [@Your\_Great\_Darsh\_Face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Your_Great_Darsh_Face)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2015, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1492 "2015-08-25T19:51:37Z")
Git! In case any Mod happens by, obviously that’s dialect for “git along wid yer!” ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2015, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1493 "2015-08-26T01:23:08Z")
You’d think I’d at least mouse over the link before clicking it… ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2015, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1494 "2015-08-26T04:28:04Z")
> [@Enderw24](#): > > The Stick has updated episode 1000! Not cool. Really, not. :mad: ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2015, 5:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1495 "2015-08-26T05:51:49Z")
> [@Knorf](#): > > Not cool. Really, not. :mad: Oh, c’mon. Stickroll? In an Order of the Stick thread? That was pretty good. ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2015, 11:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1496 "2015-08-26T11:54:42Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Oh, c’mon. Stickroll? In an Order of the Stick thread? That was pretty good. I actually googled “stickroll” hoping for something useful to link to and was pleasantly surprised when this showed up. More so because it only had 7 views when I found it. We just septupled the count. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2015, 9:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1497 "2015-08-27T09:12:26Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Oh, c’mon. Stickroll? In an Order of the Stick thread? That was pretty good. I figured it was a rickroll from the reaction posts. When I found it was STICKROLL, I laughed. ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2015, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1498 "2015-08-27T12:48:13Z")
Just me, then. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2015, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1499 "2015-08-27T15:43:48Z")
No, I thought it was kinda mean too. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2015, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1500 "2015-08-27T16:12:02Z")
I was less bothered by the lame joke than I am about constantly clicking this thread, hoping for an update, and seeing it’s just discussion of the lame joke 😃 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755.md?page=74) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755.md?page=76)