# Order of the Stick - Book 6 Discussion Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 3, 2014, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755 "2014-03-03T16:07:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 82
**Author:** ![Grumman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/43a26b/32.png) [@Grumman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grumman)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2015, 10:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1621 "2015-09-02T10:01:15Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > What happens if you cast Resurrect on an undead? Nothing. You have to de-animate the undead first before Resurrection or True Resurrection works. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2015, 10:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1622 "2015-09-02T10:24:52Z")
> [@Grumman](#): > > Nothing. You have to de-animate the undead first before Resurrection or True Resurrection works. A pity. Sounds like a fun if convoluted way to fight undead. ---
**Author:** ![yellowjacketcoder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/4bbf92/32.png) [@yellowjacketcoder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yellowjacketcoder)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2015, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1623 "2015-09-02T12:50:48Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > A pity. Sounds like a fun if convoluted way to fight undead. Given that Resurrection takes 10 minutes to cast, I doubt that undead is going to go along with the procedure. And if you can immobilize them for 10 minutes, you can coup de grace them and solve your “they’re not quite dead” problem. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2015, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1624 "2015-09-02T13:35:14Z")
> [@yellowjacketcoder](#): > > Given that Resurrection takes 10 minutes to cast, I doubt that undead is going to go along with the procedure. And if you can immobilize them for 10 minutes, you can coup de grace them and solve your “they’re not quite dead” problem. I didn’t say it was the most efficient option; merely that it would be fun. “Brrrrrrraaaaains, braaaaaa…I say, sorry about gnawing on your noggin, old chap. I don’t know what came over me.” ---
**Author:** ![Your\_Great\_Darsh\_Face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ac8455/32.png) [@Your\_Great\_Darsh\_Face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Your_Great_Darsh_Face)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2015, 7:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1625 "2015-09-03T07:17:33Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > A pity. Sounds like a fun if convoluted way to fight undead. Back in 1st Edition AD&D, _Raise Dead_ would generally kill undead, with some rare exceptions if they were actually so fresh as to be within the spell’s time limit. That said, by the time you could cast the spell you had plenty other ways to kill them anyway, and the ones that were hard to kill weren’t susceptible to being killed by _Raise Dead_. ---
**Author:** ![2nd\_Law](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/2/f475e1/32.png) [@2nd\_Law](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/2nd_Law)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2015, 7:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1626 "2015-09-03T07:30:37Z")
n/m ---
**Author:** ![satogata](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/df705f/32.png) [@satogata](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/satogata)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2015, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1627 "2015-09-03T12:44:16Z")
New strip: **[1002: Mutually Assured Observation](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1002.html)** ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2015, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1628 "2015-09-03T13:03:33Z")
Rich is positively churning them out these days. I guess that answers the question of whether the others can/will interfere, so it’s Roy vs Durkula for the fate of the world…until Belkar returns at a dramatically important moment. And gets killed. Saving the world. Which will undoubtedly make for some _hilarious_ scenes in the Chaotic Evil afterlife. ---
**Author:** ![yellowjacketcoder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/4bbf92/32.png) [@yellowjacketcoder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yellowjacketcoder)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2015, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1629 "2015-09-03T13:27:33Z")
I dunno, sacrificing yourself to save the world might get you kicked over to chaotic neutral. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2015, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1630 "2015-09-03T13:35:35Z")
That is Sunna, Goddess of the Sun’s priest, for those of you who don’t want to backtrack. ---
**Author:** ![yellowjacketcoder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/4bbf92/32.png) [@yellowjacketcoder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yellowjacketcoder)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2015, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1631 "2015-09-03T13:52:11Z")
Thinking about the fight more, I wonder if it would be worthwhile for Roy to try and sunder Durkon’s shield. [A heavy steel shield has hardness 10 and 20 HP](http://www.d20srd.org/srd/exploration.htm#tableCommonArmorWeaponAndShieldHardnessAndHitPoints), so I think a power attack from Roy could sunder in a round (if he won the opposed check), which would drop Durkon’s AC quite a bit for follow up attacks. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2015, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1632 "2015-09-03T14:04:42Z")
And it’s the high priest of Vafthrudnir, god of secrets, who said it was an internal matter. The two who don’t know what to do are representing Njord, god of the sea, and Mani, god of the moon, and the one who wants to help Roy is representing Freya, goddess of fertility. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2015, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1633 "2015-09-03T14:22:20Z")
I gotta say, given how the Lay of Vafthrudnir turned out, it’s interesting that he is the god of secrets and not, I dunno, Groa or something. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2015, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1634 "2015-09-03T14:27:22Z")
> [@yellowjacketcoder](#): > > I dunno, sacrificing yourself to save the world might get you kicked over to chaotic neutral. Well, that’s the funny part. Add to that Belkar’s ongoing “character development” program, which would also push him in that direction, and his afterlife street cred as “Death’s Little Helper” is definitely in jeopardy. Was Shojo Chaotic Good or Chaotic Neutral? I don’t recall it being specified. I’m just thinking of Belkar’s fantasy from the pyramid and wondering if he’ll end up in the same place, working as an eternal sushi chef. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2015, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1635 "2015-09-03T14:39:55Z")
> [@yellowjacketcoder](#): > > Thinking about the fight more, I wonder if it would be worthwhile for Roy to try and sunder Durkon’s shield. [A heavy steel shield has hardness 10 and 20 HP](http://www.d20srd.org/srd/exploration.htm#tableCommonArmorWeaponAndShieldHardnessAndHitPoints), so I think a power attack from Roy could sunder in a round (if he won the opposed check), which would drop Durkon’s AC quite a bit for follow up attacks. Unless it happens to be magic. Magic items can take a bit more pounding (+2 hardness +10 HP per +1 equivalent). Also he’d take attacks of opportunity on each sunder attempt unless he’s got the imp. sunder feat (which is an almost exclusively DM dick move feat - PCs typically don’t want to destroy the über loot they’re about to swim in :p) and I’m pretty sure Combat Reflexes is one of the litany of feats vamps get for free Just Because. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2015, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1636 "2015-09-03T14:53:09Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Was Shojo Chaotic Good or Chaotic Neutral? The Wiki suggests CG although it says it’s not known for sure. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2015, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1637 "2015-09-03T14:54:34Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Was Shojo Chaotic Good or Chaotic Neutral? The Wiki suggests CG although it says it’s not known for sure. I do appreciate Rich knocking these out fairly quickly when the pacing calls for it. ---
**Author:** ![wolfman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a8b319/32.png) [@wolfman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfman)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2015, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1638 "2015-09-03T15:10:29Z")
Hmm, fighting a high level healer, even if Roy does the best possible, this is going to be a long fight. I wonder if he would have prepared with any healing potions since as far as he knew he was going to a committee meeting. Then again I don’t remember him ever carrying potions that we have seen, but it was pointed out not long ago they have access to a bunch of them on the ship. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2015, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1639 "2015-09-03T15:17:12Z")
I, too, think this will all come down to the still unknown effects of the aforementioned enchantment on the blade. It was enough to put some serious hurt on Xykon, and Durkula ain’t no Xykon. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2015, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1640 "2015-09-03T16:00:12Z")
> [@wolfman](#): > > Hmm, fighting a high level healer, even if Roy does the best possible, this is going to be a long fight. Not only that but Durkon heals himself now via negative energy. So he can use a _Harm_ to either repair himself or to attack Roy. Nice flexibility there. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755.md?page=81) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755.md?page=83)