# Order of the Stick - Book 6 Discussion Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 3, 2014, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755 "2014-03-03T16:07:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 88
**Author:** ![fachverwirrt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/94ad74/32.png) [@fachverwirrt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fachverwirrt)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2015, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1741 "2015-09-14T18:39:58Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > It might be, if it were Durkon’s blood. More likely, though, it’s Roy’s, or Belkar’s, or that rock-priest’s. That’s an … interesting point. I would think that whether a vampire’s ingested blood is his or the donor’s would be up to the DM. Or is that actually covered in the manuals? (I enjoy the comic, but my experience with D&D is limited to one campaign I played while working at Boy Scout camp in 1992.) ---
**Author:** ![yellowjacketcoder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/4bbf92/32.png) [@yellowjacketcoder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yellowjacketcoder)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2015, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1742 "2015-09-14T19:18:02Z")
> [@fachverwirrt](#): > > That’s an … interesting point. I would think that whether a vampire’s ingested blood is his or the donor’s would be up to the DM. Or is that actually covered in the manuals? > > (I enjoy the comic, but my experience with D&D is limited to one campaign I played while working at Boy Scout camp in 1992.) It’s something that would have to be houseruled, and if the DM is caring about something like that, they better have a good reason other than DM fiat. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2015, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1743 "2015-09-14T22:21:20Z")
Well, ingested blood certainly wasn’t “part of the corpse at the time of death”. So the question is just whether what’s in Durkon’s veins is all ingested blood, or if there’s any of the original left. But there never would have been very much of it left, since the cause of death would have been blood loss to begin with. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2015, 9:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1744 "2015-09-15T09:39:13Z")
> [@Knorf](#): > > Nonsense. It’s clearly “Schkrct!” > > (Who doesn’t love arguing about the most pointless details?) Hey, it’s right up there with carpet or floor under Durkula’s resting place. And I’m sticking with Schkrlt. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2015, 11:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1745 "2015-09-15T11:23:40Z")
Does the Schkrlt stick to your fur? ---
**Author:** ![ekedolphin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ekedolphin/32/10003_2.png) [@ekedolphin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekedolphin)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2015, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1746 "2015-09-15T16:47:59Z")
[1005: Completely Missed the Point](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1005.html) is up. ---
**Author:** ![shantih](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f6c823/32.png) [@shantih](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shantih)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2015, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1747 "2015-09-15T16:52:19Z")
Actually, the title of 1005 is Completely **Mist** the Point. Ha! Pun! ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2015, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1748 "2015-09-15T17:19:54Z")
Hel needs the demigod priests to break the tie and seemed confident that they would vote in her favor yet the priest of Baldur is apparently unable to reach them (because the ushers are all dead or whatever). Despite this obviously being more mechanizations from Hel/Durkon, I fail to see how this works in Hel’s favor. Presumably, if the demigod priests were in the room, this could be over already. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2015, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1749 "2015-09-15T17:22:12Z")
We’re assuming the demi-god priests are missing because of Durkon. But possibly, they’re missing because Belkar got back sooner than expected, and has been thinning out the ranks of Durkon’s new thralls off-panel. ---
**Author:** ![yellowjacketcoder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/4bbf92/32.png) [@yellowjacketcoder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yellowjacketcoder)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2015, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1750 "2015-09-15T19:25:29Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > We’re assuming the demi-god priests are missing because of Durkon. But possibly, they’re missing because Belkar got back sooner than expected, and has been thinning out the ranks of Durkon’s new thralls off-panel. Unless he landed in a vat of healing potion juice, I doubt the Belkster could take even one thrall, assuming Durkula was able to raise any. Although I super love the like “tell Hel to go to herself” ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2015, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1751 "2015-09-15T19:41:30Z")
We only saw Durkon attack the stone guy and they are “[non-theistic](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0995.html)” and have no protection from a god (which is why Durkon could kill them). I would suspect that the demigod patrons would be under divine protection since they are technically voting members of the Godsmoot. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2015, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1752 "2015-09-15T19:52:05Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > Hel needs the demigod priests to break the tie and seemed confident that they would vote in her favor yet the priest of Baldur is apparently unable to reach them (because the ushers are all dead or whatever). Despite this obviously being more mechanizations from Hel/Durkon, I fail to see how this works in Hel’s favor. Presumably, if the demigod priests were in the room, this could be over already. I am tentatively assuming that Durkula’s attacks on the stone-people were not part of the original plan since he had to query the poor exarch to learn that they were not divinely protected. If part of his plan hinged on a lack of ushers, that’s a pretty big if to leave to chance. I’m grasping at straws and hoping this is the pebble in the gears of Durkula’s gambit and that he didn’t realize that the high priests would rely on the ushers to act as messengers since they can’t leave the voting space. ---
**Author:** ![Ambrosio\_Spinola](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9de0a6/32.png) [@Ambrosio\_Spinola](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambrosio_Spinola)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2015, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1753 "2015-09-15T20:53:24Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > I am tentatively assuming that Durkula’s attacks on the stone-people were not part of the original plan since he had to query the poor exarch to learn that they were not divinely protected. If part of his plan hinged on a lack of ushers, that’s a pretty big if to leave to chance. I’m grasping at straws and hoping this is the pebble in the gears of Durkula’s gambit and that he didn’t realize that the high priests would rely on the ushers to act as messengers since they can’t leave the voting space. I was wondering the same thing - I bet that Durkula simply likes to kill people if he can get away with it, and secondarily we know that Hel has immense trouble finding any “followers” with class levels, especially cleric levels. So he might have a secondary objective of creating additional high-ish level followers of Hel when possible (just as backup in case the world-ending primary objective doesn’t work out). In this case, though, he may have interfered with ending the world right now by doing so. Then again, it could be part of the plan, since he almost showed up too late to the vote by taking time to drain those other clerics. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2015, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1754 "2015-09-16T04:28:44Z")
ISTM that vamping the priest of a Demigod wouldn’t change the vote - though I suppose it could keep a few no votes from entering the arena. During the vote process, the priest appears to be a mere conduit. Vamping a demigod priest sounds like something that would be defined as an attack anyway and therefore against Godsmoot rules. Unless it were executed by one of the stone priests and therefore technically permissible? Which Demigods will show up? Will we have heard of them or are they PCs from eras past? What’s with that force field: is it one way? Hel may be LE, but that doesn’t mean Durkevil is: “A cleric’s alignment must be within one step of his deity’s”. Also, even if she manipulates the rules for her own ends, I don’t think that _prohibits_ her from being NE. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2015, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1755 "2015-09-16T04:34:51Z")
. . . If a sword-thrust through the heart does not kill an OOTS vampire, what does?! ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2015, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1756 "2015-09-16T04:51:03Z")
Durkula has a LOT of hit points. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2015, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1757 "2015-09-16T05:11:40Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > . . . If a sword-thrust through the heart does not kill an OOTS vampire, what does?! I believe the next step on the checklist is to cut off his head and put a lemon in his mouth :). ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2015, 6:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1758 "2015-09-16T06:03:45Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > . . . If a sword-thrust through the heart does not kill an OOTS vampire, what does?! A wooden stake through the heart instantly kills the vampire. To keep it that way, you chop off the head and fill the mouth with wafers. Or destroy the body in some other manner. [Vampire :: d20srd.org](http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/vampire.htm) ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2015, 6:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1759 "2015-09-16T06:23:12Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > What’s with that force field: is it one way? I believe it’s the limit of the Summon Proxy spell. The priest of Baldur can’t cross it or else Baldur would lose his vote. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2015, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1760 "2015-09-16T13:19:56Z")
Word of Giant is that it’s an actual barrier and prevents any of the high priests from leaving the voting space to nullify their votes. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755.md?page=87) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755.md?page=89)