# Order of the Stick - Book 6 Discussion Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 3, 2014, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755 "2014-03-03T16:07:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 97
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2015, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1921 "2015-10-19T15:34:48Z")
I like how Durkon mentions that he should float up top… Which, yeah, he should. And when he dies and the world isn’t destroyed, that vampire spirit is going to be cleaning latrines in Hel, second-guessing his decision making there 😃 ---
**Author:** ![oft\_wears\_hats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7993a0/32.png) [@oft\_wears\_hats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/oft_wears_hats)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2015, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1922 "2015-10-19T15:52:43Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > I like how Durkon mentions that he should float up top… > > Which, yeah, he should. And when he dies and the world isn’t destroyed, that vampire spirit is going to be cleaning latrines in Hel, second-guessing his decision making there 😃 This leads me to believe that this fight is going to be over very soon. Durkula isn’t going to get a chance to change his mind and go mistform to run out the clock. ---
**Author:** ![yellowjacketcoder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/4bbf92/32.png) [@yellowjacketcoder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yellowjacketcoder)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2015, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1923 "2015-10-19T15:53:39Z")
> [@Jonathan\_Chance](#): > > Man, remind me not to piss Roy off. > > OK, so that’s obviously a critical hit. And it has the green fire effect. How much damage is that? Could it be an insta-kill? Using[this calculator,](http://www.distanceeducationconsultants.com/ddcalc.php?strength=24&dexterity=13&BAB=14&btohit=0&btodam=0&dr=10&w1dmg=7&w1rng=2&w1mult=2&w1enh=5&w1bonus=0&pw1=Greatsword&w2dmg=7&w2rng=2&w2mult=2&w2enh=&w2bonus=0&pw2=&weaponwield=twohanded&pa=true&patype=3.5&hastetype=3.5&finessew1=true&focusw1=true&gfocusw1=true&specw1=true&gspecw1=true&sneakattack=0d6&charge_mult=1&Ilove=Macy&button1=CALCULATE) which I have probably misentered a value into and ignoring the green fire effect since I’m not sure what it would do, Roy would be hitting for 42 damage on a crit. For a 14th level cleric at d8 HD, that’s a range of 14-112 HP (average of 63), but a vampire get d12 HD, so that’s 12-168 (average 91). It’s not an instakill unless the green fire does something crazy like double-damage to undead and Durkula had a lot of bad rolls with his HD. Plus, as mentioned above, no Xs in the eyes. EDIT: Not counting power attacks, which if he dumped a ton there Roy could be dealing 100+ damage in a blow. ---
**Author:** ![Hypno-Toad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b2d939/32.png) [@Hypno-Toad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hypno-Toad)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2015, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1924 "2015-10-19T16:48:24Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > One thing I didn’t catch: why is the story of Roy’s brother the tip that it’s not actually Durkon in charge? I suspect that that has not been shown yet but will be answered afterwards. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2015, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1925 "2015-10-19T17:11:47Z")
> [@Jonathan\_Chance](#): > > OK, so that’s obviously a critical hit. Unless I’m missing something–which is entirely possible–[undead aren’t subject to crits in 3.5 D&D.](http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:Undead_Type) Something else must trigger the flashy effects. ---
**Author:** ![Ambrosio\_Spinola](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9de0a6/32.png) [@Ambrosio\_Spinola](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambrosio_Spinola)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2015, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1926 "2015-10-19T17:15:08Z")
> [@Your\_Great\_Darsh\_Face](#): > > I’m guessing not, since Durkula’s eyes haven’t turned into Xs. I wonder if vampires get the Xs. According to RAW, a vampire that is reduced to 0 HP in combat automatically reverts to mist form (where it takes no further damage) and then has 2 hours to get back to its coffin before being destroyed automatically. I don’t know that Durkon has a coffin; if he does, it’s probably back on the airship. The only other vampire that we’ve seen in OotS, Malack, died in a more spectacular fashion of course. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2015, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1927 "2015-10-19T17:30:47Z")
> [@Stanislaus](#): > > I think it was the bit where Durkula says he “always wondered” how many pieces the body was in. That would never have occurred to Durkon. Great catch! ---
**Author:** ![Hypno-Toad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b2d939/32.png) [@Hypno-Toad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hypno-Toad)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2015, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1928 "2015-10-19T19:35:49Z")
> [@Ambrosio\_Spinola](#): > > I wonder if vampires get the Xs. According to RAW, a vampire that is reduced to 0 HP in combat automatically reverts to mist form (where it takes no further damage) and then has 2 hours to get back to its coffin before being destroyed automatically. I don’t know that Durkon has a coffin; if he does, it’s probably back on the airship. The only other vampire that we’ve seen in OotS, Malack, died in a more spectacular fashion of course. I don’t think Durkon has a coffin. Malack commented on the need to get one when time permitted. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2015, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1929 "2015-10-19T19:36:43Z")
Oof! Right in the beard! ---
**Author:** ![Hypno-Toad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b2d939/32.png) [@Hypno-Toad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hypno-Toad)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2015, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1930 "2015-10-19T19:38:24Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Oof! Right in the beard! That\*\* is\*\* a critical hit to a dwarf. ---
**Author:** ![Gray\_Ghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c0e974/32.png) [@Gray\_Ghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gray_Ghost)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2015, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1931 "2015-10-19T19:40:28Z")
> [@yellowjacketcoder](#): > > …For a 14th level cleric at d8 HD, that’s a range of 14-112 HP (average of 63), but a vampire get d12 HD, so that’s 12-168 (average 91). > > It’s not an instakill unless the green fire does something crazy like double-damage to undead and Durkula had a lot of bad rolls with his HD. Plus, as mentioned above, no Xs in the eyes. > > EDIT: Not counting power attacks, which if he dumped a ton there Roy could be dealing 100+ damage in a blow. Something weird’s going on with this particular time the sword’s turned green. _Roy_’s turned green this time too. Look at his eyes in this strip, compared to, say, the time he [Great Cleaved all of the former Draketooth clan mummies](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0861.html), or when the [sword caught fire fighting Sabine](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0349.html) in Cliffport. ---
**Author:** ![wolfman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a8b319/32.png) [@wolfman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfman)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2015, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1932 "2015-10-19T19:44:43Z")
Simply lighting effect visual limitation or did Roy heal up on the strike too? ---
**Author:** ![yellowjacketcoder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/4bbf92/32.png) [@yellowjacketcoder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yellowjacketcoder)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2015, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1933 "2015-10-19T19:55:29Z")
> [@wolfman](#): > > Simply lighting effect visual limitation or did Roy heal up on the strike too? I like the fanwank as seen on the GITP forums that the green effect heals the wielder by the amount of damage dealt to the undead in question. Although it’s probably just an art effect. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2015, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1934 "2015-10-19T20:15:25Z")
I think this is the first time we’ve seen the green effect since the art upgrade, and I think it’s just from seeing Roy illuminated by the green light. Look at what it’s doing to his skin tone, too. ---
**Author:** ![wolfman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a8b319/32.png) [@wolfman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfman)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2015, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1935 "2015-10-19T20:21:32Z")
Hehe in closely scanning for details I may have missed, I noticed Roy’s scarf disappears in row 3 panel 2. Let’s read something into that. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![yellowjacketcoder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/4bbf92/32.png) [@yellowjacketcoder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yellowjacketcoder)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2015, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1936 "2015-10-19T20:23:25Z")
> [@wolfman](#): > > Hehe in closely scanning for details I may have missed, I noticed Roy’s scarf disappears in row 3 panel 2. Let’s read something into that. 😉 Even better, it reappears two panels later. Roy has a phasing scarf! ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2015, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1937 "2015-10-19T20:49:48Z")
> [@Stanislaus](#): > > I think it was the bit where Durkula says he “always wondered” how many pieces the body was in. That would never have occurred to Durkon. > > More broadly, we’ve[already seen](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0963.html) that Durkula is incapable of understanding the links between Durkon’s memories, or understanding how a person might be affected by the things they experience… Plus, by this time Roy has received dozens of small hints including not incidentally Durkevil’s newly adopted speech patterns. His bad guy soliloquy in this strip _sounds_ like someone that’s accessing another’s memories and is trying to hide it. And Roy has the intelligence to spot that, at least when bias and wishful thinking is overcome. That said, nice catch. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2015, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1938 "2015-10-19T22:02:10Z")
I wonder: Durkula introduced himself to the other high priests as Durkon Thundershield, but Roy has now twigged - and announced - that he isn’t Durkon, so is Hel’s vote now invalid? ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2015, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1939 "2015-10-19T22:09:04Z")
I wouldn’t think so. Vampires are typically named what they were in life, I suppose (not that there’s any rules). If he wants to call himself Durkon, then Durkon he is. ---
**Author:** ![shantih](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f6c823/32.png) [@shantih](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shantih)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2015, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755/1940 "2015-10-19T23:53:10Z")
> [@shantih](#): > > Nicely played, other-fighter-whose-name-I have forgotten! > > Seeing Durkula so huge and standing so close to Roy, and knowing that we’ve seen Durkon bound by his own neurons within sight of one of his own eyes, is there any chance that Roy will be able to see him and realise that who he’s talking to is not just Evil Vampire Durkon but a different entity altogether? And how would that make a difference in his strategy? I’m just throwing this possibility out there again. Roy’s realization that Durkula is not just Durkon with an alignment change comes as he’s held up directly in front of the giant dwarf, made to look directly into his eyes as D works his evil mind control stuff. Whatever, I’m looking forward to the next update! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755.md?page=96) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-6-discussion-thread/682755.md?page=98)