# Order of the Stick book 7 discussion thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** comic-strips\ **Created:** [February 3, 2020, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438 "2020-02-03T17:48:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 105
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2024, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/2084 "2024-07-31T14:11:28Z")
Suddenly I am reminded of GRR Martin’s “The Plague Star.” Only with a slightly different ending. ---
**Author:** ![Hypno-Toad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b2d939/32.png) [@Hypno-Toad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hypno-Toad)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2024, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/2085 "2024-07-31T14:31:46Z")
So Bloodfeast IS stuck in big mode now. Unless they have a shrink spell or some other solution in their possession. Maybe one of Haley’s wands can help. ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2024, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/2086 "2024-07-31T15:35:02Z")
> [@Hypno-Toad](#): > > Maybe one of Haley’s wands can help. Or maybe Serini has a solution. They need to wait for her to come back. ---
**Author:** ![blue\_infinity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blue_infinity/32/2817_2.png) [@blue\_infinity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blue_infinity)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2024, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/2087 "2024-07-31T17:01:10Z")
I don’t think there’s a solution. I think Burlew is purposely benching Bloodfeast before the final showdown. He made an important contribution vs the dragon, and that’s it. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2024, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/2088 "2024-07-31T17:42:36Z")
That’s too bad. I’m sure Redcloak will be summoning some elemental, monster or planar servant that Bloodfeast could tussle with. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2024, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/2089 "2024-07-31T18:10:10Z")
If Serini has the capability of resetting the stasis trap, Bloodfeast can take over Calder’s role as guardian monster of this room. Not nearly as effective as a full-grown red dragon, of course, but still better than leaving the room empty. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2024, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/2090 "2024-07-31T21:33:36Z")
Probably an ignorant question (actually, there’s no “probably” about it; I’m ignorant of the mechanics of bags of holding). Isn’t a bag of holding kind of like a portable stasis field in itself? If someone put, say, a cocooned caterpillar into a b-o-h and took it out after a year, would they remove a cocooned caterpillar or a dead butterfly? ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2024, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/2091 "2024-07-31T21:57:30Z")
Okay, I did a little quick research. Only 10 minutes of air in a bag of holding. BUT! Flesh-to-stone! If that’s of indefinite duration, could they shrink Bloodfeast, petrify him, _then_ put him in? Kind of roundabout, but better than abandoning him. ETA: or just petrify him and have Durkon shrink the statue, like he did with Haley that one time. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2024, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/2092 "2024-08-06T02:28:20Z")
Today I texted a link to Episode 1 to a friend who I only just now found out plays D&D. And I got a little time-sucked into reading from the top (as one does). And I noticed something that may be nothing, but may be a HUGE twist. In strip [0078](https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0078.html), we’re shown a flashback scene of the evil sorcerer Xykon slaying Gerald Greenhilt’s wizard mentor. I know the art has evolved a LOT in the intervening years, but does anyone else suspect that Xykon may be an ancestor of Tarquin/Elan/Nale? ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2024, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/2093 "2024-08-06T02:33:42Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Gerald Greenhilt’s wizard mentor. I think you mean Eugene Greenhilt there. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2024, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/2094 "2024-08-06T03:46:17Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > I know the art has evolved a LOT in the intervening years, but does anyone else suspect that Xykon may be an ancestor of Tarquin/Elan/Nale? I didn’t get the impression that young Xykon engaged in the sort of activities that produce heirs. 🤷‍♀️ ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2024, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/2095 "2024-08-06T03:52:33Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > I didn’t get the impression that young Xykon engaged in the sort of activities that produce heirs. Wasn’t he sleeping with the other evil apprentice at the beginning of _Start of Darkness_? ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2024, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/2096 "2024-08-06T04:00:04Z")
Maybe I’m confusing the “about to lychify” Xykon with young Xykon. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2024, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/2097 "2024-08-06T04:28:50Z")
> [@dtilque](#): > > > [@kaylasdad99](#): > > > > Gerald Greenhilt’s wizard mentor. > > I think you mean Eugene Greenhilt there. Yes, I do. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2024, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/2098 "2024-08-06T04:31:22Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > > [@kaylasdad99](#): > > > > I know the art has evolved a LOT in the intervening years, but does anyone else suspect that Xykon may be an ancestor of Tarquin/Elan/Nale? > > I didn’t get the impression that young Xykon engaged in the sort of activities that produce heirs. 🤷‍♀️ I wouldn’t know. I haven’t been able to get my hands on the older stuff. And I’ve never been motivated to pursue it digitally. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2024, 12:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/2099 "2024-08-06T12:12:33Z")
He lost all interest in that sort of thing on becoming a lich, after having lost most interest in that sort of thing on becoming an old man. But yes, in his youth, he was sexually active. Checking Start of Darkness, Xykon was a small boy (probably five or so?) “103 years ago”, so there might have been time for him to be Tarkin’s father, but probably not any more distant an ancestor than that. And the art in that book of him at “about 60 years old” looks basically like in that strip, and he resembles Elan/Tarkin, but as a young adult, he looked very different from them. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2024, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/2100 "2024-08-06T13:24:46Z")
Arrrgh. Tarquin. Tar- **QUIN**. Stop it, you’re giving me a headache. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2024, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/2101 "2024-08-06T13:31:50Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > Arrrgh. Tarquin. Tar- **QUIN**. General Takin? [![](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSuq9Wn1xK0svCB4eyxTgPWY7xfa_RUP772Ng&s) ](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSuq9Wn1xK0svCB4eyxTgPWY7xfa_RUP772Ng&s) ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2024, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/2102 "2024-08-06T14:36:24Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > And the art in that book of him at “about 60 years old” looks basically like in that strip, and he resembles Elan/Tarkin, but as a young adult, he looked very different from them. Plus given the limited art aesthetic of this strip I don’t think you can hang such a theory purely on how the characters look, either way. ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2024, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/2103 "2024-08-08T14:35:11Z")
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