# Order of the Stick book 7 discussion thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** comic-strips\ **Created:** [February 3, 2020, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438 "2020-02-03T17:48:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 106
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2024, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/2104 "2024-08-08T14:46:10Z")
Just been waiting those two years to be first with an update, huh? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2024, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/2105 "2024-08-08T14:51:35Z")
Just 1.75 years. No biggie. And really… > **[I've been here the whole time Blank Template - Imgflip](https://imgflip.com/memetemplate/506858473/Ive-been-here-the-whole-time)** > > Blank I've been here the whole time template ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2024, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/2106 "2024-08-08T14:53:48Z")
Oh, man. I feel Belkar down to my bones here. My younger daughter is an absolute treasure of a human being. We talk with her a lot about her Big Feelings. I’m reading this strip, thinking of her, and getting a little misty-eyed. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2024, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/2107 "2024-08-08T15:01:29Z")
Ooh, good strip. Creates all sorts of possibilities. ---
**Author:** ![Stanislaus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stanislaus/32/3391_2.png) [@Stanislaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stanislaus)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2024, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/2108 "2024-08-08T15:23:49Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Oh, man. I feel Belkar down to my bones here. When he started **saying** that he now had feelings for others my first reaction was, “Yeah, thanks Rich, I did get that all by myself” but then I realised that he is explaining it to himself not the reader so my second reaction was a very parental “Aww, poor little guy”. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2024, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/2109 "2024-08-08T16:27:38Z")
Huh. Maybe my flesh-to-stone and then shrink idea has some merit after all. And what’s with the mist that’s drifting into the room? ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2024, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/2110 "2024-08-08T16:40:32Z")
Belkar’s feelings are at the center of this strip. But let’s not ignore Vaarsuvius and their emotional growth. A few years ago, they would not have seen any problem here. You have a resource (Bloodfeast), you use it when it serves a purpose, and then you discard it. They wouldn’t have understood why anyone would be upset. But it’s clear this is no longer the case. Vaarsuvius is genuinely unhappy about what has happened and apologizes to Belkar. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2024, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/2111 "2024-08-08T16:45:38Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > And what’s with the mist that’s drifting into the room? I don’t think that’s mist, I think those are scorch marks on the walls from fighting the dragon. If you go back through the last couple strips, you can see patches of it in the background of most of the panels. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2024, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/2112 "2024-08-08T16:50:24Z")
Maybe. But in panel 4, those “scorch marks” seem to be graying out Belkar, V, and Minrah some. By contrast, Mr. Scruffy, Blackwing and Roy are crystal clear. ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2024, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/2113 "2024-08-08T17:27:03Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > But in panel 4, those “scorch marks” seem to be graying out Belkar, V, and Minrah some. By contrast, Mr. Scruffy, Blackwing and Roy are crystal clear. That graying out is apparently an indicator that those people are in the background. Looking through some recent strips, I found a couple other instances. [Second last panel here](https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1303.html), Serini is in the background and grayed out. Another one [here, fourth panel](https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1299.html), Durkon is background and grayed out. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2024, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/2114 "2024-08-08T19:24:20Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Maybe my flesh-to-stone and then shrink idea has some merit after all. I’m not sure any of them have Flesh to Stone. When Haley was hit by it, it was from Z the Linear Guild drow wizard. V shrank the statue but wasn’t the one to petrify her. ---
**Author:** ![colinfred](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colinfred/32/21338_2.png) [@colinfred](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/colinfred)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2024, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/2115 "2024-08-08T19:27:05Z")
Sunny could petrify Bloodfeast ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2024, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/2116 "2024-08-09T04:27:27Z")
Is that a reversible effect when it’s done by whatever Sunny is (NOT a Beholder)? ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2024, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/2117 "2024-08-09T06:46:31Z")
AIUI, the rays from a not-a-Beholder are equivalent to spells, so it should be reversible. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2024, 10:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/2118 "2024-08-09T10:15:44Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > what’s with the mist that’s drifting into the room? > [@Miller](#): > > I don’t think that’s mist, [It’s been there all along](https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1295.html). It’s meant to be smoke, I think. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2024, 12:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/2119 "2024-08-09T12:16:46Z")
> [@colinfred](#): > > Sunny could petrify Bloodfeast Good call, forgot about that ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2024, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/2120 "2024-08-09T13:59:11Z")
Rich posted a new Q&A. [https://www.patreon.com/posts/answers-post-9-109774968](https://www.patreon.com/posts/answers-post-9-109774968) It’s on Patreon, but i think anyone can read it. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2024, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/2121 "2024-08-09T14:21:53Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Is that a reversible effect when it’s done by whatever Sunny is (NOT a Beholder)? It’s already been reversed. Sunny petrified Durkon in the fight, and someone (it could have been Elan; I don’t think it was shown on screen) reversed it. And Sunny isn’t a standard beholder (only eight eyestalks instead of ten), but I think the intention is that they’re a weird mutant beholder, not that they’re some other species. I think that having a loving upbringing might have prevented the development of a couple of the more violent stalks (I don’t think we’ve seen them using the Death, Disintegrate, or Cause Wounds stalks, so pick two of those three as the missing ones). ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2024, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/2122 "2024-08-09T19:33:52Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > I think the intention is that they’re a weird mutant beholder, not that they’re some other species. Legally Distinct Eyeball Monster 😉 ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2024, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/2123 "2024-08-10T00:42:31Z")
I think the intention is that Sunny is a beholder without him being sued. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438.md?page=105) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438.md?page=107)