# Order of the Stick book 7 discussion thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** comic-strips\ **Created:** [February 3, 2020, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438 "2020-02-03T17:48:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 110
**Author:** ![ekedolphin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ekedolphin/32/10003_2.png) [@ekedolphin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekedolphin)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2024, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/2184 "2024-10-16T14:03:02Z")
That was awfully cute. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2024, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/2185 "2024-10-16T15:12:36Z")
Awww. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2024, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/2186 "2024-10-16T16:03:31Z")
Ditto. Of course, this means Belkar dies soon. ---
**Author:** ![Yllaria](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yllaria/32/3452_2.png) [@Yllaria](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yllaria)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2024, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/2187 "2024-10-16T23:07:33Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > Awww. Awwwwwwwww. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2024, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/2188 "2024-10-17T00:02:55Z")
For the first time I feel like I’m gonna miss the little guy. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2024, 9:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/2189 "2024-10-17T09:35:58Z")
_kwoooooooooo…_ ---
**Author:** ![vislor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/vislor/32/5933_2.png) [@vislor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vislor)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2024, 12:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/2190 "2024-10-17T12:00:17Z")
> [@Yllaria](#): > > > [@puzzlegal](#): > > > > Awww. > > Awwwwwwwww. I’m with this group. Awwwww. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2024, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/2191 "2024-10-17T12:45:31Z")
The giant dinosaur interaction was cute, but the way Belkar edged around _almost_ having a personal insight in panels 4-7 was the best bit for me. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2024, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/2192 "2024-10-17T13:06:57Z")
So if Belkar no long qualifies for the chaotic evil afterlife, where do we think he ends up? ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2024, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/2193 "2024-10-17T13:12:45Z")
I’d say Chaotic Neutral. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2024, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/2194 "2024-10-17T13:13:31Z")
Chaotic Neutral. He’s not Good and he’s definitely not Lawful/Neutral on that axis. Sure, he’s moderately better at working in a team but that doesn’t mean much – Elan and Haley work fine in the team and both are Chaotic (Elan literally has an Anarchic/Chaos sword). ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2024, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/2195 "2024-10-17T13:17:21Z")
That’s my best guess, too. I’m wondering what the chaotic neutral afterlife looks like. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2024, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/2196 "2024-10-17T13:27:00Z")
The plane of Chaotic Neutral alignment is Limbo. Traditionally it’s a place where everything is in constant flux, nothing is actually solid (or liquid or…) and visitors or souls get absorbed into the shifting gloop. That sounds pretty terrible for an afterlife though and some deities have their realms there so I guess they exert enough control to make something more stable. I mean, imagine going from some Celestial’s ivory palace to some Infernal’s jagged lava torturescape and then visiting a CN deities realm and it’s just boiling Play-Doh. That’s not impressive at all! ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2024, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/2197 "2024-10-17T13:27:10Z")
Slaads! Slaads everywhere. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2024, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/2198 "2024-10-17T13:34:21Z")
If he dies doing something heroic and selfless he might just make it over the line into “Chaotic Good”. And end up with Shojo (and possibly Mr Scruffy), as per his pyramid fantasy. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2024, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/2199 "2024-10-17T16:34:24Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > So if Belkar no long qualifies for the chaotic evil afterlife, where do we think he ends up? Grilling kippers and brats with Shojo and Mr. Scruffy. And whole cows for Bloodfeast. ---
**Author:** ![Yllaria](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yllaria/32/3452_2.png) [@Yllaria](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yllaria)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2024, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/2200 "2024-10-17T16:48:12Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > If he dies doing something heroic and selfless he might just make it over the line into “Chaotic Good”. And end up with Shojo (and possibly Mr Scruffy), as per his pyramid fantasy. I’d kind of like to see that. ---
**Author:** ![Hypno-Toad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b2d939/32.png) [@Hypno-Toad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hypno-Toad)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2024, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/2201 "2024-10-17T17:16:39Z")
The fact that Belkars fantasy life was being a cook that involved no violence or criminality might indicate that, at his core, he’s not truly evil. Just not smart/wise enough to see why he should follow rules. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2024, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/2202 "2024-10-17T17:40:07Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > The plane of Chaotic Neutral alignment is Limbo. Traditionally it’s a place where everything is in constant flux, nothing is actually solid (or liquid or…) and visitors or souls get absorbed into the shifting gloop. It’s not _just_ “boiling play-doh.” From the DND wiki: > [@](#): > > This plane was supreme chaos, a twisting, quicksilver place filled with bits and pieces of rocks, trees, the four elements, entire landscapes, strong winds, and random pockets of liquid, solid, or gas. Sentient beings could dampen down the chaos to livable levels and produce a safe environment as long as they maintained concentration. The size of a safe zone was directly related to the intelligence of the individual controller. Demigods and more powerful beings did not have this burden and indeed could create realms that survived even if they left Limbo. Gravity operated only between solid objects that touched each other and had about the same strength as on most Prime Material Planes. Thrown objects would fly straight until they hit a solid object. Objects with no momentum would hang in space until contacted by something solid I always imagined it looking a lot like Dr. Strange’s astral plane, as conceived by Steve Ditko: [![](https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh5xNyYacJXpipbHpL9PRoeN_2nKEIdWNgperKZWxCoq9M1f114hl5Iw71fmsbX0C31pkmk5goMC55X3XcAsXlNI8CZ3n24Ls2JI2KFfal2eizVj2W_yMTNzTOYE09GksSbB9OKpdOoGKZV/s1600/planes.jpg) ](https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh5xNyYacJXpipbHpL9PRoeN_2nKEIdWNgperKZWxCoq9M1f114hl5Iw71fmsbX0C31pkmk5goMC55X3XcAsXlNI8CZ3n24Ls2JI2KFfal2eizVj2W_yMTNzTOYE09GksSbB9OKpdOoGKZV/s1600/planes.jpg) How much the OotS cosmology matches the official DnD cosmology is, of course, open to question. In the default setting, souls that go to Limbo become absorbed by the swirling chaos, and don’t retain any of their individuality from when they were alive, but Burlew might well ignore that for OotS’s afterlife. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2024, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/2203 "2024-10-17T19:19:08Z")
The githzerai maintain their fortresses and cities in Limbo so it’s not _all_ chaos… But in any case, there are more Outer Planes than just the 9 basic alignments. There are 17 (and that’s just using the old Great Wheel model that nevertheless seems to underlie OOTS’ cosmology) and that leaves room for things like Chaotic Neutral Good Gladsheim. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438.md?page=109) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438.md?page=111)