# Order of the Stick book 7 discussion thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** comic-strips\ **Created:** [February 3, 2020, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438 "2020-02-03T17:48:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 114
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2025, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/2264 "2025-01-07T15:21:22Z")
Is that a waiting room or Sabine’s apartment? ---
**Author:** ![blue\_infinity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blue_infinity/32/2817_2.png) [@blue\_infinity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blue_infinity)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2025, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/2265 "2025-01-07T15:23:31Z")
> [@dtilque](#): > > Looks like a bed inside a cage with two people on the bed. And a long line of more people waiting their turn. Some kind of sexual torture, perhaps. It does kind of look like a bed, but I don’t think that’s a cage - it’s scaffolding. And everyone climbing the ladder is carrying a big yellow block of some sort. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2025, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/2266 "2025-01-07T16:50:48Z")
> [@dtilque](#): > > Some of the people impaled on the stalk look familiar. That may be just a function of the limited possibilities of stick figures, though. I was thinking the same thing but I don’t know where from. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2025, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/2267 "2025-01-07T18:20:34Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Also note the evil lava lamp, evil Newton’s Cradle, and D20 of doom. Also the iron boots, stamping on people’s faces (and also the rest of them), presumably forever. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2025, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/2268 "2025-01-07T18:21:02Z")
Sabine’s wall art of the 9 Hells, Gehenna, and the Abyss is cool. Also, not to make anyone feel old, but do y’all realise it’s been 12 years [since we last saw Nale](https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0914.html)? ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2025, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/2269 "2025-01-07T18:42:09Z")
I didn’t want to raise false expectations by reviving the thread before there was a new strip so I waited to post this. I noticed a detail about 1315 I missed at first. When O-Chul says his lines about facing the unforeseen consequences of a decision, the scene cuts to Blackwing and Vaarsuvius, who have the punchline. But the detail I had missed is that at the same time, Belkar turns and looks at Mr Scruffy. This seems intentional; all of the other characters are looking forward in the direction they are walking and Belkar was doing the same before O-Chul spoke. So it appears Belkar looks at Mr Scruffy in reaction to what O-Chul says. If so, I’m missing the context. What would be the decision that led to an unforeseen consequence between Belkar and Mr Scruffy? ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2025, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/2270 "2025-01-07T18:49:02Z")
> [@dtilque](#): > > Yeah, I wondered about Nale’s torture. Is sitting in a waiting room alone that severe a torture for him? Especially when they let someone else into the room? As others have said, Nale probably was saved from more direct torture by Sabine intervening on his behalf. But that said, this probably is a severe form of torture for Nale. He’s an active schemer whose main priority has always been to be in control of events. And now he’s being forced to just sit there with nothing he can do to affect what’s happening. And that’s given him time to realize he wasted his time while he was alive. Physical suffering would have distracted him from this mental suffering. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2025, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/2271 "2025-01-07T19:00:14Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Sabine’s wall art of the 9 Hells, Gehenna, and the Abyss is cool. Good catch, but I don’t think that’s _Sabine_’s wall art. Sabine is a succubus, and therefore a native of the Abyss, not the Nine Hells. And based on her dialogue when she enters, she’s not familiar with the place they’re staying at. It’s not _her_ apartment, it’s a place she and Nale were set up in by the Inter-Fiend Cooperation Commission, hence the wall art showing the layout out the three major evil planes. Which suggests that it was the IFCC that spared Nale from torture, not Sabine specifically, and that whatever the IFCC’s plan is, it involves Nale in some capacity. > [@Babale](#): > > You almost feel bad for Nale. _Almost_. He’s also not really having a _moral_ revelation. He doesn’t think he should have been nicer to Elan because he feels bad about being cruel to him, he thinks he should have been nicer to him because it would have made his plan to kill their father more successful. He’s still a shit, just a more canny shit. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2025, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/2272 "2025-01-07T19:15:35Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Good catch, but I don’t think that’s _Sabine_’s wall art. Sabine is a succubus, and therefore a native of the Abyss, not the Nine Hells. And based on her dialogue when she enters, she’s not familiar with the place they’re staying at. It’s not _her_ apartment, it’s a place she and Nale were set up in by the Inter-Fiend Cooperation Commission, hence the wall art showing the layout out the three major evil planes But Sabine works under Director Lee, doesn’t she? That implies she’s lawful evil? Are we sure she isn’t an Erinye? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2025, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/2273 "2025-01-07T19:21:07Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > But Sabine works under Director Lee, doesn’t she? That implies she’s lawful evil? Are we sure she isn’t an eyrine? [She’s called a succubus by one of the IFCC on-panel.](https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0637.html) ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2025, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/2274 "2025-01-07T19:25:45Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > She’s called a succubus by one of the IFCC on-panel In the very same speech bubble where she’s revealed to work under Director Lee! I guess they really put their money where their mouth is when it comes to interfiend cooperation. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2025, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/2275 "2025-01-07T22:41:45Z")
She’s also never really been all that Chaotic, and Nale has never really been all that Lawful. ---
**Author:** ![colinfred](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colinfred/32/21338_2.png) [@colinfred](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/colinfred)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2025, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/2276 "2025-01-07T22:58:35Z")
Was it ever established for sure that the fiends had the alignments appropriate to their names? ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2025, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/2277 "2025-01-09T13:36:09Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Also, not to make anyone feel old, but do y’all realise it’s been 12 years [since we last saw Nale](https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0914.html)? Wow, that long. And through all that time I never stopped expecting his return. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2025, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/2278 "2025-01-09T13:45:59Z")
You think _that’s_ something - the prophesy that Belkar would die “before the end of the year” was made in [2008](https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0572.html). It’s been a looooooooong year for our team. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2025, 7:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/2279 "2025-01-10T07:36:35Z")
Here are some long running series, chosen quixotically. Webcomic: Oots 2003 - 2025: 22 years so far. Comic/Graphic Novel: Cerebus: 12/1977 - 3/2004: 26 years Comic Strip: Peanuts: almost 50 years Comic Strip: Little Orphan Annie: 86 years Comic Strip: Allie Oop: 92 years so far Manga: Full Metal Alchemist: 2001 - 2010: 9 years Manga: JoJo’s Bizarre Adventure: 1987-now, 37 years so far Manga: Golgo 13: Oct 1968 - now: 56 years so far, although the author passed on in 2021 at the age of 84. Anime: Sazae-san Oct 1969-now: 55 years so far. ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2025, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/2280 "2025-01-10T15:27:15Z")
Blondie (comic strip) 1930-now, 95 years Barney Google and Snuffy Smith (comic strip) 1919-now, 106 years ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2025, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/2281 "2025-01-10T15:34:23Z")
Schlock Mercenary: June 12, 2000 - July 24, 2020: 20 years and he never missed a day. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2025, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/2282 "2025-01-10T15:45:13Z")
He was very proud of that fact. Girl Genius, November 4, 2002 to date so predates OOTS by a year. Proto steampunk, before the word had been invented. They called it gaslight fantasy. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2025, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/2283 "2025-01-10T17:31:19Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > Proto steampunk, before the word had been invented. The word steampunk dates back to the 80s. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438.md?page=113) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438.md?page=115)