# Order of the Stick book 7 discussion thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** comic-strips\ **Created:** [February 3, 2020, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438 "2020-02-03T17:48:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 128
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2025, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/2544 "2025-12-11T14:29:36Z")
And can I just point out the excellent Adobe joke on page 9, top panel. For those of you not receiving this: The heros are in a city. In the background there are various businesses, including an adobe building labelled “Adobe”. On the roof is just visible a person holding another person upside down and shaking money out of their pockets into a bag held by a third person. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2025, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/2545 "2025-12-11T21:05:38Z")
Hmmph. We need a thread about OOtS kickstarter fulfillments, so the rest of us don’t get our hopes up when the plot discussion thread pops in with an update. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2025, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/2546 "2025-12-12T02:36:35Z")
Well, That was depressing. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2025, 11:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/2547 "2025-12-12T11:08:51Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > We need a thread about OOtS kickstarter fulfillments, so the rest of us don’t get our hopes up when the plot discussion thread pops in with an update. Given that it happens at about a rate of once every four years, I’m not sure that it’s worth its own thread. And to @Peter_Morris: yes it was. Apart from the aforementioned joke. ---
**Author:** ![blue\_infinity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blue_infinity/32/2817_2.png) [@blue\_infinity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blue_infinity)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2025, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/2548 "2025-12-23T15:09:35Z")
1337 - [Limited Time Offer](https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1337.html) ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2025, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/2549 "2025-12-23T15:32:29Z")
Two notes: 1: The Order, at least the veteran members, are working as a well-oiled, coordinated team, here. And they’re even on the ball enough to be able to quickly catch up their new allies. 2: Belkar’s brooch still pains him to activate. There’s been a lot of character development, there, but apparently still not yet enough to qualify for an alignment change. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2025, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/2550 "2025-12-23T15:41:13Z")
Hmmm… the offer to kill Xykon is probably legit, given the obvious “enemy of my enemy” angle between two evil factions with clashing goals, but the Order would be idiots to trust him. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2025, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/2551 "2025-12-23T16:42:13Z")
Will Haley’s arrow ned to be iron or silver to do any good? I’m not up on the details with these things. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2025, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/2552 "2025-12-23T16:44:01Z")
So long as her bow is magical - and it is, not to mention minty fresh - she shouldn’t have a problem. Either the missile weapon _or_ the missile have to be magical to hurt a fiend. ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2025, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/2553 "2025-12-23T16:55:27Z")
If we don’t get a new one before the 1st of next year, this will make for 22 new comics this year, same as 2024 and 1 more than 2023. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2025, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/2554 "2025-12-23T18:19:52Z")
In 3rd edition, the bow being magical isn’t enough for devils. The weaker ones require that a weapon be either silver or good-aligned. Medium ones require good-aligned, and the strongest require that it be both silver and good-aligned. Haley’s bow almost certainly isn’t holy, and her arrows likely aren’t, so unless Nale still only has least-devil DR (like imps and lemures), it’ll still be an issue. On the other hand, that just subtracts a fixed amount from damage, and it’s only around 15 points at most. If she’s getting Sneak Attacks, she’s probably looking at around 33 damage per attack, so over half would still get through. The minty freshness probably won’t matter: That’s an extra 1d6 cold to each attack, and almost all devils have 10 cold resist. It might matter on a crit, though, where she’d be dealing 1d6+2d10 cold (her “minty fresh” bow has the Icy Burst property). ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2025, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/2555 "2025-12-23T18:28:08Z")
> [@John\_DiFool](#): > > If we don’t get a new one before the 1st of next year, this will make for 22 new comics this year, same as 2024 and 1 more than 2023. Plus we got another Kickstarter reward. That was a lot of additional comics. Is that the last of them? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2025, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/2556 "2025-12-23T18:46:07Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > In 3rd edition, the bow being magical isn’t enough for devils. Getting deep into the weeds on 3rd edition, but weapons with a high enough bonus can bypass types of damage reduction, depending on how high the bonus is. A +3 weapon counts as both silver and cold iron for the purposes of bypassing damage reduction. I doubt this will come up in the comic, though. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2025, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/2557 "2025-12-23T19:16:30Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Getting deep into the weeds on 3rd edition, but weapons with a high enough bonus can bypass types of damage reduction, depending on how high the bonus is. A +3 weapon counts as both silver and cold iron for the purposes of bypassing damage reduction. It works that way in 3.5? I never played that way and I can’t find reference to that in the SED under either magic weapons, enchantment bonuses, or damage reduction. But it could certainly be somewhere I am missing. I _do_ see reference to this being the case in Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous, and I see that this supposedly follows PNP Pathfinder rules, but is it also in 3.5? ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2025, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/2558 "2025-12-23T19:34:10Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > Plus we got another Kickstarter reward. That was a lot of additional comics. Is that the last of them? No, there’s Cliffport PD, Sir Francois, Julio Scoundrel and a mystery prize to go. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2025, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/2559 "2025-12-23T19:40:57Z")
That might have been the rule in 3.0, which only applied for a fraction of one comic. In 3.5, though, there’s no distinction between different levels of “magic” (which could be anything from +1 to +5). The only distinction on the bonus is when you get to “epic” (a bonus of +6, which isn’t ordinarily obtainable). But getting back to a narrative standpoint, it doesn’t make sense that the Order and Nale will fight at this point, since that would render all of the setup with Nale irrelevant. Most likely, either they do take his offer of help after all, or he teleports away to show up again at the Big Fight to “help” in his own way. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2025, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/2560 "2025-12-23T19:42:16Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > It works that way in 3.5? I never played that way and I can’t find reference to that in the SED under either magic weapons, enchantment bonuses, or damage reduction. But it could certainly be somewhere I am missing. Huh, I might be back-porting the rule from Pathfinder. Wouldn’t be the first time. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2025, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/2561 "2025-12-23T19:51:37Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > the Order would be idiots to trust him. [Maxim 29:](https://schlockmercenary.fandom.com/wiki/The_Seventy_Maxims_of_Maximally_Effective_Mercenaries)_The enemy of my enemy is my enemy’s enemy. No more. No less._ ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2025, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/2562 "2025-12-23T20:05:02Z")
I thought we’d gotten Julio Scoundrel. Huh, i really have lost track. ---
**Author:** ![vislor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/vislor/32/5933_2.png) [@vislor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vislor)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2025, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/2563 "2025-12-23T21:05:44Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > On an entirely different note, I just received my long-forgotten Kickstarter reward of the **Dim Sun** story. > > So that’s nice. Holy crap! It’s been 13 **years** since he hurt his thumb? Is it still slowing him down? I’m honestly wondering if it was that bad of a cut. I do keep thinking of the accident and that’s why he’s been slow! Yes, Dim Sun was definitely depressing. I wonder if he had done it closer to then what the story would have been? Thanks for the updates! Thanks for the discussion! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438.md?page=127) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438.md?page=129)