# Order of the Stick book 7 discussion thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** comic-strips\ **Created:** [February 3, 2020, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438 "2020-02-03T17:48:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 31
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2020, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/601 "2020-11-01T13:42:21Z")
A Sunday update. That might be a first. I think I remember one or two on Saturdays, but not Sunday. Well, except that 9-day period with updates every day. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2020, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/602 "2020-11-01T13:52:19Z")
The kid has his skill set, that’s for sure. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2020, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/603 "2020-11-01T14:02:54Z")
So Roy has finally accepted the unreality of his reality. Good for him. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2020, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/604 "2020-11-01T16:48:51Z")
> [@CardboardBoxx](#): > > > **Summary** > > > > OK, Roy realising he’s in a story and relying on Elan to tell him how the story is going to go is possibly the best example of character growth this comic has yet seen, and it’s seen a **lot**. The strip has certainly developed my own ability to be genre-savvy. F’rinstance, whether Haley selects an unmarked door or a marked one, the Gate is sure to be behind it. Also, how do you do that Summary thing? Much better for spoilers than that blurred text we’ve been left with. ---
**Author:** ![CardboardBoxx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardboardboxx/32/7079_2.png) [@CardboardBoxx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CardboardBoxx)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2020, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/605 "2020-11-01T17:02:33Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Also, how do you do that Summary thing? Much better for spoilers than that blurred text we’ve been left with. Click the cog in the far right and choose “hide details” ---
**Author:** ![CardboardBoxx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardboardboxx/32/7079_2.png) [@CardboardBoxx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CardboardBoxx)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2020, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/606 "2020-11-01T17:11:32Z")
I bet you 100GP that the gate is not behind Haley’s door. My guess in order of likelihood: Behind the door Team Evil just entered Not behind any door Behind another door Behind Haley’s door. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Reynolds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_reynolds/32/3707_2.png) [@Jack\_Reynolds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Reynolds)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2020, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/607 "2020-11-01T18:09:03Z")
I think the Gate is behind Haley’s door, but wonder how OOTS can beat Team Evil if they first have to clear a dungeon full of monsters. If the gate were behind Team Evil’s door, then the comic should theoretically be over, as the OOTS will hang out in their tunnel until Redcloak and Xykon find the gate and the gods end the world. There could be some form of surprise, but I’ll have to see it. Did anyone else find Redcloak’s heal-face turn on goblin lives in 1212 rather jarring? He’s gone from defending single goblin corpses from Tsukiko to being willing to sacrifice every goblin in the world for a theoretical future victory. Did this change happen somewhere and I didn’t notice it? I get that he doesn’t believe the heroes, and thinks they are just trying to stop him as he’s about to win, but his justifications don’t gel with the character we’ve seen thus far. I could see pre-Battle of Azure City Redcloak talk this way, but it seems like a major inversion. Also, I always heard Greyview with a voice like Eeyore. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2020, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/608 "2020-11-01T18:37:55Z")
Redcloak has always been willing, if necessary, to sacrifice all of this world’s goblins for the sake of the next worlds’. It’s not his plan A, but it’s certainly one of his contingencies. The details, of course, are in Start of Darkness. ---
**Author:** ![Uniqueorn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uniqueorn/32/2807_2.png) [@Uniqueorn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uniqueorn)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2020, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/609 "2020-11-01T18:47:52Z")
> [@Jack\_Reynolds](#): > > If the gate were behind Team Evil’s door, then the comic should theoretically be over, as the OOTS will hang out in their tunnel until Redcloak and Xykon find the gate and the gods end the world. There could be some form of surprise, but I’ll have to see it. There are still the (unaccounted for) powers that abducted the paladins. Is Serini still on the board? Any other players we know of that might have an impact? ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2020, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/610 "2020-11-01T18:56:26Z")
> [@Uniqueorn](#): > > There are still the (unaccounted for) powers that abducted the paladins. Is Serini still on the board? Any other players we know of that might have an impact? I’ve speculated before that there’s still one more faction to be revealed; the Holey Brotherhood. They’ve been shown in the background on a few occasions without further explanation. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2020, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/611 "2020-11-01T18:59:07Z")
> [@Jack\_Reynolds](#): > > Did anyone else find Redcloak’s heal-face turn on goblin lives in 1212 rather jarring? He’s gone from defending single goblin corpses from Tsukiko to being willing to sacrifice every goblin in the world for a theoretical future victory. Did this change happen somewhere and I didn’t notice it? Redcloak has always been willing to sacrifice any number of goblins in furtherance of his plan. But Tsukiko’s threat didn’t help his plan so he objected to it. Simple hypocrisy. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2020, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/612 "2020-11-01T19:04:34Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > The strip has certainly developed my own ability to be genre-savvy. My opinion was that it was a foregone conclusion they would adopt Haley’s plan. There was no way Burlew was going to set up all these doors and never show us what was behind them. Having Elan being the deciding vote just lampshaded the fact that Burlew is directing the story along its most dramatic path. On a separate note, I like how Minrah cast her healing spell as soon as she was back with the group but Durkon waited until he finished his conversation with Roy. Subtle callback to the previous strip. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2020, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/613 "2020-11-01T21:09:52Z")
Did V ever pay back the time she owes for her temporary power boost? That feels like a loose end to me. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2020, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/614 "2020-11-01T21:30:45Z")
Only one of her 3 debts. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2020, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/615 "2020-11-01T21:40:21Z")
> [@Jack\_Reynolds](#): > > Also, I always heard Greyview with a voice like Eeyore. To me, he sounds like one of the Swedish actors who always play Russians, like Stellan Skarsgard or Peter Storemare. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2020, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/616 "2020-11-02T14:14:20Z")
I liked the subtle dig at Peter Jackson. > [@Alessan](#): > > To me, he sounds like one of the Swedish actors who always play Russians, like Stellan Skarsgard or Peter Storemare. Definitely Peter Stormare… ---
**Author:** ![Gray\_Ghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c0e974/32.png) [@Gray\_Ghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gray_Ghost)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2020, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/617 "2020-11-02T21:13:16Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > > [@Uniqueorn](#): > > > > There are still the (unaccounted for) powers that abducted the paladins. Is Serini still on the board? Any other players we know of that might have an impact? > > I’ve speculated before that there’s still one more faction to be revealed; the Holey Brotherhood. They’ve been shown in the background on a few occasions without further explanation. I thought they were hanging out with Goblin Dan, and his Hydra burger shack? ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2020, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/618 "2020-11-17T14:36:53Z")
[https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1219.html](https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1219.html) ---
**Author:** ![Gray\_Ghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c0e974/32.png) [@Gray\_Ghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gray_Ghost)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2020, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/619 "2020-11-17T15:29:34Z")
Neat. I guess it’s the every other week publishing plan until he gets his Christmas goodies ready for sale. Can’t blame him. Is it likely that nobody on the bad guys have realized the existence of this kind of magical tripwire inside all of the doors? I mean, they’ve no Rogues, unless Oona took a level in it, or Greyview has some skill. RedCloak can have Find Traps running though, which would see things like this tripwire, right? I mean Haley hasn’t been keeping her Search skill maxed—hence using that kobold as a Soviet mine detector, two books ago—and she just saw it right away, so the DC to detect it can’t be _that_ high? ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2020, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/620 "2020-11-17T16:41:54Z")
> [@Gray\_Ghost](#): > > Is it likely that nobody on the bad guys have realized the existence of this kind of magical tripwire inside all of the doors? It wouldn’t take very many times of tripping the traps at the entrance of every dungeon before they realize every one has a trap. In fact, Oona should have already been aware of them, since she and her fellow bugbears routinely enter the dungeons. Likely the bugbears had a way of disarming them that avoided damage. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438.md?page=30) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438.md?page=32)