# Order of the Stick book 7 discussion thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** comic-strips\ **Created:** [February 3, 2020, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438 "2020-02-03T17:48:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 44
**Author:** ![CardboardBoxx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardboardboxx/32/7079_2.png) [@CardboardBoxx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CardboardBoxx)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2021, 12:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/862 "2021-03-17T12:23:05Z")
# 🍓 🍓 🍓 🍓 🍓 🍓 🍓 🍓 🍓[1229](https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1229.html) 🗣 🗣 🗣 🗣 🗣 🗣 🗣 🗣 🗣 ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2021, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/863 "2021-03-17T12:29:48Z")
Makes sense. ---
**Author:** ![ekedolphin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ekedolphin/32/10003_2.png) [@ekedolphin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekedolphin)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2021, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/864 "2021-03-17T12:45:20Z")
So… she’s gonna try and use the amnesia drug on the Order. Wow. Didn’t see _that_ coming. ---
**Author:** ![ekedolphin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ekedolphin/32/10003_2.png) [@ekedolphin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekedolphin)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2021, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/865 "2021-03-17T12:50:01Z")
Of course, Serini is proceeding on incomplete information-- she doesn’t realize that the Snarl will actually threaten the gods and not Xykon’s enemies. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2021, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/866 "2021-03-17T12:54:49Z")
A high level if not Epic rogue stalking the party invisibly? That’s terrifying. I wonder if we will get any Predator references. ---
**Author:** ![blue\_infinity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blue_infinity/32/2817_2.png) [@blue\_infinity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blue_infinity)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2021, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/867 "2021-03-17T13:36:35Z")
Serini’s to-do list: - Take down the Order of the Stick - Watch re-release of Avatar in 3D ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2021, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/868 "2021-03-17T13:37:25Z")
> [@blue\_infinity](#): > > - Watch re-release of Avatar in 3D There’s a _third_ dimension?? ---
**Author:** ![Uniqueorn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uniqueorn/32/2807_2.png) [@Uniqueorn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uniqueorn)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2021, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/869 "2021-03-17T15:07:13Z")
She also does not know about Redcloak’s endgame, even though it might not change her mind, as the Goblins had a pretty rough time, as well and might deserve a better chance. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2021, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/870 "2021-03-17T20:20:46Z")
The real problem is that nobody, including us, has complete information. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2021, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/871 "2021-03-17T22:11:47Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > The real problem is that nobody, including us, has complete information Including Xykon and Redcloak, too ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2021, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/872 "2021-03-17T22:20:33Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > The real problem is that nobody, including us, has complete information. I’ve said before that the most effective tactic the various good sides could use is to send a message to Xykon, explaining the true nature of the Gates to him. ---
**Author:** ![Hypno-Toad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b2d939/32.png) [@Hypno-Toad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hypno-Toad)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2021, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/873 "2021-03-18T00:29:50Z")
I strongly suspect that it will be Elan and/or Haley who talk Serini out of her plan of action. ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2021, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/874 "2021-03-18T01:25:49Z")
Why doesn’t she also shoot Redcloak and make him forget The Plan (after taking away the red cloak of course). I suppose a forget-me-dart wouldn’t work on Xykon. ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2021, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/875 "2021-03-18T03:39:00Z")
One of the colored voices says it was “nice” existing. So she or whomever _expects_ to fail to protect the last gate and the world. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2021, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/876 "2021-03-18T05:17:37Z")
Or Serini’s plan requires minion sacrifice? ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2021, 8:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/877 "2021-03-18T08:48:44Z")
It seems that the voice speaking WAS Sereni. At least, the voice was addressed as “boss” and had the same colour speech balloons as Sereni. ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2021, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/878 "2021-03-18T20:00:39Z")
Hm, I’d expect V to have cast Protection From Arrows or Stoneskin or whatever on herself or another of the party, so Serini shouldn’t be able to dart them all. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2021, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/879 "2021-03-18T20:40:39Z")
Most such spells only protect against nonmagical weapons. And even if there were something that protected against magical weapons, an epic-level character like Serini should have ways around it. ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2021, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/880 "2021-03-18T21:33:32Z")
Could Serini’s potion work on undead? ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2021, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/881 "2021-03-18T21:46:45Z")
Pathfinder # Undead Traits [Undead](https://roll20.net/compendium/pathfinder/Undead#h-Undead) are immune to death effects, [Disease](https://roll20.net/compendium/pathfinder/Disease#h-Disease), mind-affecting effects (charms, compulsions, morale effects, phantasms, and patterns), paralysis, [Poison](https://roll20.net/compendium/pathfinder/Poison#h-Poison), sleep, stun, and any effect that requires a Fortitude save (unless the effect also works on objects or is harmless). [Undead](https://roll20.net/compendium/pathfinder/Undead#h-Undead) are not subject to ability drain, [Energy Drain](https://roll20.net/compendium/pathfinder/Energy%20Drain#h-Energy%20Drain), or [Nonlethal Damage](https://roll20.net/compendium/pathfinder/Injury%20and%20Death#h-Nonlethal%20Damage). [Undead](https://roll20.net/compendium/pathfinder/Undead#h-Undead) are immune to [Damage](https://roll20.net/compendium/pathfinder/Damage#h-Damage) or penalties to their physical ability scores (Strength, [Dexterity](https://roll20.net/compendium/pathfinder/Dexterity#h-Dexterity), and Constitution), as well as to fatigue and exhaustion effects. [Undead](https://roll20.net/compendium/pathfinder/Undead#h-Undead) are not at risk of death from massive [Damage](https://roll20.net/compendium/pathfinder/Damage#h-Damage). So, the _mind-affecting effects_ immunity would likely say NO. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438.md?page=43) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438.md?page=45)