# Order of the Stick book 7 discussion thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** comic-strips\ **Created:** [February 3, 2020, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438 "2020-02-03T17:48:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 59
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2021, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/1162 "2021-08-01T01:51:15Z")
If V knew in 2008 how often it would come up by 2021, they would have just rewrote the probability tables 😀 Edit: I’ll mention again that I get _why_ it happens and it doesn’t really detract from my enjoyment. More just between-strip nerd chatter and gentle mockery, much as I’d point out the wildly varying levels of acidity in xenomorph blood in Aliens while still enjoying the movie just fine. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2021, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/1163 "2021-08-01T20:09:36Z")
Whaddaya mean? High-level characters [succeed on lots of saves!](https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0456.html) ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2021, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/1164 "2021-08-01T23:54:38Z")
[More saves](https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0486.html) than you’d even know! ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2021, 8:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/1165 "2021-08-02T08:41:01Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > More just between-strip nerd chatter and gentle mockery, much as I’d point out the wildly varying levels of acidity in xenomorph blood in Aliens while still enjoying the movie just fine. I assume you’ve seen the [Robot Chicken take](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7N0jaxb94Fc) on that. ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 6:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/1166 "2021-08-07T06:52:22Z")
Couple questions that occured ot me on rereading the latest strip. Why did V’s Fly Spell get Dispelled? It does not look like Sunny aimed his big eye at him/her, since the Light Spell is still active. I would not expect the sleeping potion to Dispel it. I figure he/she should be floating around at the last altitude he/she was at. At the very least, he/she should have dropped at a slower rate rather than crashing to the floor. As far as Elan, is there any reason Haley can’t tell to him to cast Neutralize Poison on Roy and V? If he’s been Charmed, that does not put him under exclusive control of the caster. AFAICT, he can still do other things besides what the caster suggests. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 6:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/1167 "2021-08-07T06:58:01Z")
> [@dtilque](#): > > Why did V’s Fly Spell get Dispelled? It does not look like Sunny aimed his big eye at him/her, since the Light Spell is still active. I would not expect the sleeping potion to Dispel it. I figure he/she should be floating around at the last altitude he/she was at. At the very least, he/she should have dropped at a slower rate rather than crashing to the floor. Once again, I don’t know how D&D magic works, but does being put to sleep automatically dispel any spells a person has cast? Alternately, could Serini’s dart have contained a dual poison? A combination of a sleeping potion and an anti-magic potion? Is an anti-magic potion even a thing? ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 12:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/1168 "2021-08-07T12:17:20Z")
More importantly–and I suspect the GITP forums are full of discussion of this–3.5 elves are immune to sleep effects. What’s up with that? ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/1169 "2021-08-07T12:30:34Z")
A poison might cause unconsciousness without it technically being “sleep”. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/1170 "2021-08-07T13:32:41Z")
I, uh, would not be pleased with a DM who tried out that line of reasoning in a game. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/1171 "2021-08-07T14:17:43Z")
There are perfectly clear rules about what happens when a stat goes to 0 (in 3.5) from paralysis, to coma, to death. Roy could talk at 0 str and 0 con kills you so it must be another stat. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/1172 "2021-08-07T14:21:41Z")
Now that’s a good point. [Here’s what happens in 3.5 when your abilities hit zero](https://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:Ability_Score_Loss). Most of them would explain unconciousness or a similar-appearing state. I hadn’t even thought about that. ---
**Author:** ![vislor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/vislor/32/5933_2.png) [@vislor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vislor)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/1173 "2021-08-07T14:25:01Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Once again, I don’t know how D&D magic works, but does being put to sleep automatically dispel any spells a person has cast? In 3E, spells run their duration even if the caster is gone unless it requires concentration. Fly is a set duration spell, so it wouldn’t be gone. Obviously, Rich doesn’t always follow that, but that’s the Rules As Written. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2021, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/1174 "2021-08-07T20:19:12Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > There are perfectly clear rules about what happens when a stat goes to 0 (in 3.5) from paralysis, to coma, to death. Roy could talk at 0 str and 0 con kills you so it must be another stat. Specifically, 0 Str or Dex paralyzes you (but leaves you conscious), 0 Con kills you, and 0 Int, Wis, or Cha leaves you comatose. And damage to ability scores is a common effect of poisons in general, in 3rd edition. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2021, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/1175 "2021-08-08T21:20:26Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > More importantly–and I suspect the GITP forums are full of discussion of this–3.5 elves are immune to sleep effects. What’s up with that? I believe elves are immune to _magical_ sleep effects (and don’t need to physically slumber). A poison that drops you unconscious would not qualify for immunity, nor would a movie-rag of chloroform or similar. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2021, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/1176 "2021-08-08T21:25:17Z")
Heh–I looked it up before I posted. [From here](https://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/elf.htm): > [@](#): > > Immunity to [sleep](https://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/sleep.htm) spells and effects But that’s from the monster page. I should have looked it up on the [character race](https://www.d20srd.org/srd/races.htm) options page: > [@](#): > > Immunity to magic [sleep](https://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/sleep.htm) effects There shouldn’t be a difference, IMHO, but there is, and a poison is legit vs. an elven PC but not an elven NPC. ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2021, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/1177 "2021-08-18T13:32:04Z")
please cleric at them vigorously Love that. But I forget what Belkar’s magic clasp does. ---
**Author:** ![CardboardBoxx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardboardboxx/32/7079_2.png) [@CardboardBoxx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CardboardBoxx)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2021, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/1178 "2021-08-18T13:39:30Z")
# [1242 Area of Affect](https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1242.html) Discussion starts one post up. I really like the strip title. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2021, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/1179 "2021-08-18T13:40:38Z")
> [@GreysonCarlisle](#): > > But I forget what > > Belkar’s magic clasp > > does. [Protection from Evil](https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0969.html) ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2021, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/1180 "2021-08-18T13:41:24Z")
Ah, thanks! ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2021, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/1181 "2021-08-18T14:00:10Z")
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