# Order of the Stick book 7 discussion thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** comic-strips\ **Created:** [February 3, 2020, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438 "2020-02-03T17:48:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 61
**Author:** ![Aspidistra](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspidistra/32/3894_2.png) [@Aspidistra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspidistra)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2021, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/1203 "2021-08-20T01:40:26Z")
So Bloodfeast is already saving the day by stopping Mr Scruffy from getting a claw on Belkar then? ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2021, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/1204 "2021-08-20T02:48:25Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > That’s correct. 3rd edition was (mostly) very explicit about what categories different spells did and did not fall into. Protection from Evil protects against Charms and Compulsions, but not Fear Effects or other Mind-Affecting Effects. There are other spells that protect against those, too, but they’re higher level, and almost certainly beyond Minrah’s capabilities. Actually there’s a level 1 spell that will do: [https://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/removeFear.htm](https://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/removeFear.htm) ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2021, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/1205 "2021-08-20T03:10:09Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Actually there’s a level 1 spell that will do Does Minrah know about this? Maybe she’s prtecting Belkar from future Fearing. Though now, without his clasp, he could just be charmed. ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2021, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/1206 "2021-08-20T05:19:45Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > Though now, without his clasp, he could just be charmed. He normally doesn’t go around with the clasp activated. No doubt because it causes pain when it is. But he didn’t actvate it even before entering an obvious trap, so he could have been charmed anyway. Just another example of the Order not optimizing. You’ll know that the Last Battle is on us when they do optimize beforehand. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2021, 11:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/1207 "2021-08-20T11:30:48Z")
To clarify, I said a spell that would protect against those, too. As in, all of the mind-affecting effects, including fear, compulsion, charm, phantasms, patterns, and anything else that affects the mind, some of which don’t have any of the other, more specific labels. A single spell for protecting against all of those at once is high level (Mind Blank; we’ve seen V cast it), even though you can get most (but not all) of the important protections from a mishmash of different low-level spells. Minrah probably had Calm Emotions prepared instead of Remove Fear because it’s a bit more versatile, but it does have its downsides: Most notably, it’s preventing Belkar from taking any violent actions. And it’s also a higher level spell than Remove Fear. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2021, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/1208 "2021-09-07T13:16:51Z")
[1243 Rogue Up, Rogue Down](https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1243.html) ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2021, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/1209 "2021-09-07T13:21:49Z")
Haha, that bow trick was very neat. Now maybe Serini will be more open to discussion. ---
**Author:** ![blue\_infinity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blue_infinity/32/2817_2.png) [@blue\_infinity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blue_infinity)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2021, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/1210 "2021-09-07T13:51:28Z")
And Haley nails the “dismount”. The crowd goes wild! ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2021, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/1211 "2021-09-07T17:09:15Z")
So will this mean the group will turn this fight around and win? Or will Sunny become angry that “Mom” was attacked and stop holding back? ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2021, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/1212 "2021-09-07T17:16:27Z")
By the Laws of Narativium, Sunny and his mom should make a comeback in the next strip or two. Either that or the two sides will settle their differences without concluding the fight. ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2021, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/1213 "2021-09-07T19:49:54Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > So will this mean the group will turn this fight around and win? Or will Sunny become angry that “Mom” was attacked and stop holding back? I dunno. Sunny seems nice. Wonder if Sunny will watch “Mom” fall with the big eye still open. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2021, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/1214 "2021-09-07T20:11:11Z")
Or Sunny goes to catch Serini with its telekinesis eye, releasing the bow and Haley is back to twhipping arrows. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2021, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/1215 "2021-09-07T20:33:43Z")
That sure looks like a turning point in the fight, to me. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2021, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/1216 "2021-09-07T20:45:33Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > [1243 Rogue Up, Rogue Down](https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1243.html) Huh. With all the commotion, I never realized that Haley’s bow had been levitated. There was [a lot going on](https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1241.html) in that one panel. ---
**Author:** ![Hypno-Toad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b2d939/32.png) [@Hypno-Toad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hypno-Toad)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2021, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/1217 "2021-09-07T21:26:16Z")
Yeah, a lot of eye-catching action. to behold. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2021, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/1218 "2021-09-08T01:18:16Z")
> [@blue\_infinity](#): > > And Haley nails the “dismount”. The crowd goes wild! Let’s see the judges’ scores. 9.8, 9.6, 9.5, 9._9_, and 6.0 from the LE judge. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2021, 10:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/1219 "2021-09-08T10:59:27Z")
> [@dtilque](#): > > By the Laws of Narativium, Sunny and his mom should make a comeback in the next strip or two. Either that or the two sides will settle their differences without concluding the fight. My random guess: Sunny turns toward Serini and accidentally anti-magics her (making her visible) and Bloodfeast (making him big). Sunny gets squashed against the ceiling, putting him/her/it out of action for the moment, and assorted chaos happens at floor level. The fight is called on account of dinosaur and we then get multiple strips of Serini and the gang arguing about Xykon/the gates/etc. Mind you, my guesses have tended to be completely wrong but hey, it could happen. I still have some insane wild guesses about how the whole thing ends too, which will also likely prove wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2021, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/1220 "2021-09-08T12:53:43Z")
I suppose Mimi is still there as well. I don’t know how effective a mimic would be against a group like OotS (not very) but if the tide of combat in the strip can be changed by a cat or a lizard or a low level dwarf fighter-cleric, I suppose there’s a chance for a mimic as well. ---
**Author:** ![Uniqueorn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uniqueorn/32/2807_2.png) [@Uniqueorn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uniqueorn)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2021, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/1221 "2021-09-08T13:12:05Z")
Since it was mentioned earlier that Serini is friends with Trolls (as she seems to be with Sunny and probably other “monsters”), I wonder whether there might be a much larger group/army available for the final battle than expected (in case Serini sides with the OotS). ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2021, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/1222 "2021-09-08T13:13:46Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > I suppose Mimi is still there as well. Visible in panel 1. Look down from Haley’s feet. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438.md?page=60) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438.md?page=62)