# Order of the Stick book 7 discussion thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** comic-strips\ **Created:** [February 3, 2020, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438 "2020-02-03T17:48:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 64
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2021, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/1263 "2021-10-06T20:01:14Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > Oops, i can never keep those straight. A stalactite hangs tight to the ceiling. A stalagmite might reach the ceiling. Also notice the extra gotcha of C vs. G. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2021, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/1264 "2021-10-06T20:25:29Z")
> [@GreysonCarlisle](#): > > I learned that stalactites are on the ceiling and stalagmites are on the ground. Of all the mnemonics, this is the only one I have a chance of remembering. Sometimes, I even do. But I didn’t this time. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2021, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/1265 "2021-10-06T20:56:31Z")
So, stalacmites are on the ceiling, and stalagtites are on the ground? Got it. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2021, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/1266 "2021-10-06T21:01:52Z")
My juvenile, sexist mnemonic from junior high was “If the tights come down, something might go up.” I know. I should be ashamed. But I don’t confuse the two any more! ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2021, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/1267 "2021-10-06T21:12:56Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > My juvenile, sexist mnemonic from junior high was “If the tights come down, something might go up.” > > I know. I should be ashamed. But I don’t confuse the two any more!  Ashamed? I’m proud that I know that now! ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2021, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/1268 "2021-10-07T05:17:12Z")
Personally, the day I need a mnemonic to distinguish stalactites from stalagmites is the day I book a visit to a head doctor. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2021, 11:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/1269 "2021-10-07T11:45:43Z")
Oh, i can distinguish them just fine. It’s only their names i have trouble with. 😜 ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2021, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/1270 "2021-10-14T13:16:15Z")
[#1246](https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1246.html) Oh, those honeyed words of Elan’s. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2021, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/1271 "2021-10-14T13:22:47Z")
So…disintegration ray? ---
**Author:** ![gdave](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gdave/32/3683_2.png) [@gdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gdave)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2021, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/1272 "2021-10-14T13:53:07Z")
Yep. And it looks like Haley and Belkar made their saves against the covering fire, but V failed theirs, against whatever eye ray that was (_paralysis_?). And then I think Elan cast _suggestion_ on Sunny, which failed its save, but its _anti-magic cone_ negated the spell when it turned to look at him (which isn’t how that should work - it should only be able to negate _suggestion_ by coning the target, not the caster, but…). Or Elan just made a naively reasonable mundane suggestion, and Sunny just as naively and reasonably agreed until it thought for a second about what was going on. That may be the narrative fluff of missing a Diplomacy vs. Insight roll by 1. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2021, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/1273 "2021-10-14T13:56:59Z")
> [@gdave](#): > > Or Elan just made a naively reasonable mundane suggestion, and Sunny just as naively and reasonably agreed until it thought for a second about what was going on. That was my take on it - a comic moment between two nice-but-dim characters. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2021, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/1274 "2021-10-14T14:18:03Z")
Mine, too. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2021, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/1275 "2021-10-14T14:21:05Z")
Presumably the first and last time anyone will refer to Elan as “clever” (although we know he needs word-play for his ‘dashing swordsman’ class). ---
**Author:** ![Uniqueorn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uniqueorn/32/2807_2.png) [@Uniqueorn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uniqueorn)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2021, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/1276 "2021-10-14T14:45:16Z")
And we seem to have received an explanation for the slow update frequency, because I think the “A monster for every season: Summer 2” collection is newly available. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2021, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/1277 "2021-10-14T15:20:38Z")
> [@Folacin](#): > > Presumably the first and last time anyone will refer to Elan as “clever” (although we know he needs word-play for his ‘dashing swordsman’ class). Actually, I give Elan a lot of credit for how he handled this encounter. He thought up and executed his plan for making Sunny blink on his own. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2021, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/1278 "2021-10-14T16:57:05Z")
Elan plays the fool, but has always been a lot smarter than he lets on. ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2021, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/1279 "2021-10-14T17:50:18Z")
Sunny says pew pew pew. That’s adorable. ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2021, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/1280 "2021-10-14T18:54:43Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > > [@gdave](#): > > > > Or Elan just made a naively reasonable mundane suggestion, and Sunny just as naively and reasonably agreed until it thought for a second about what was going on. > > That was my take on it - a comic moment between two nice-but-dim characters. Just in case there’s any doubt about this, it was definitely not a spell cast by Elan. There was no dweomer for a spell, which virtually always appears when a spell is cast. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2021, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/1281 "2021-10-15T01:02:59Z")
And note that, once Sunny realizes the “trick”, all of his eyes are watching Elan… and not the trio pursuing “Mom”. Which just might have even been the intention. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2021, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438/1282 "2021-10-15T05:05:21Z")
> [@dtilque](#): > > > [@Gyrate](#): > > > > > [@gdave](#): > > > > > > Or Elan just made a naively reasonable mundane suggestion, and Sunny just as naively and reasonably agreed until it thought for a second about what was going on. > > > > That was my take on it - a comic moment between two nice-but-dim characters. > > Just in case there’s any doubt about this, it was definitely not a spell cast by Elan. There was no dweomer for a spell, which virtually always appears when a spell is cast. Feeling too lazy to look up what the hell “dweomer” means. From context, I’m guessing that it’s the colored aura-thingy that you see around a caster’s hand when he’s casting? ETA: If I’m wrong, I’d appreciate correction. Either way, I’d appreciate someone telling me where the word came from. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438.md?page=63) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/order-of-the-stick-book-7-discussion-thread/847438.md?page=65)